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		<title>By: profshivajirao</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384691</link>
		<dc:creator>profshivajirao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLOUD SEEDING WORKS TO FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING IMPACTS
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Chinese proved that cloud seeding works in the hands of patriotic experts who plan operations as per standard procedures being followed in 40 to 50 countries since 50 years.see the following web sites to get scientific proof that cloud seeding works:
http://shivajirao.cloudseeding.googlepages.com/scienceofcloudseeding
http://jcsepa.mri-jma.go.jp/outreach/20070131/Presentations/P3_Yao.pdf
http://tshivajirao.blogspot.com/2008/02/cold-cloud-seeding-to-fight-water.html
http://gitam.edu/cos/env/English-Book.pdf
prof.T.Shivaji Rao.B.E.,M.S.[Rice,Texas,1962]Ph.D[Hony]
Director,centre for Environment,Gitam University,Visakhapatnam,India and
Expert,cloud seeding project of Govt.,of A.P.state
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Chinese proved that cloud seeding works in the hands of patriotic experts who plan operations as per standard procedures being followed in 40 to 50 countries since 50 years.see the following web sites to get scientific proof that cloud seeding works:<br />
<a href="http://shivajirao.cloudseeding.googlepages.com/scienceofcloudseeding" rel="nofollow">http://shivajirao.cloudseeding.googlepages.com/scienceofcloudseeding</a><br />
<a href="http://jcsepa.mri-jma.go.jp/outreach/20070131/Presentations/P3_Yao.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://jcsepa.mri-jma.go.jp/outreach/20070131/Presentations/P3_Yao.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://tshivajirao.blogspot.com/2008/02/cold-cloud-seeding-to-fight-water.html" rel="nofollow">http://tshivajirao.blogspot.com/2008/02/cold-cloud-seeding-to-fight-water.html</a><br />
<a href="http://gitam.edu/cos/env/English-Book.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://gitam.edu/cos/env/English-Book.pdf</a><br />
prof.T.Shivaji Rao.B.E.,M.S.[Rice,Texas,1962]Ph.D[Hony]<br />
Director,centre for Environment,Gitam University,Visakhapatnam,India and<br />
Expert,cloud seeding project of Govt.,of A.P.state</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384690</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 06:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin,

Absence of evidence is necessarily evidence of absence. More specifically, if you could get some evidence E that would support a hypothesis H, but you get not-E instead, and you&#039;re a coherent Bayesian, then you must become at least somewhat less confident in H.

The true claim in the neighborhood of what you said is that absence of evidence isn&#039;t necessarily strong evidence of absence--absence of evidence for a hypothesis needn&#039;t make you very confident that the hypothesis is false.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,</p>
<p>Absence of evidence is necessarily evidence of absence. More specifically, if you could get some evidence E that would support a hypothesis H, but you get not-E instead, and you&#8217;re a coherent Bayesian, then you must become at least somewhat less confident in H.</p>
<p>The true claim in the neighborhood of what you said is that absence of evidence isn&#8217;t necessarily strong evidence of absence&#8211;absence of evidence for a hypothesis needn&#8217;t make you very confident that the hypothesis is false.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyan</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384689</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 04:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems that for some readers I need to clarify...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So some readers think you mean what you actually write instead of the disclaimed version you &lt;i&gt;obviously&lt;/i&gt; meant? Silly readers!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It seems that for some readers I need to clarify&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>So some readers think you mean what you actually write instead of the disclaimed version you <i>obviously</i> meant? Silly readers!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Barrowman</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384688</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Barrowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin is not being blunt.

Oops, I mean Robin is not &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; being blunt.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin is not being blunt.</p>
<p>Oops, I mean Robin is not <i>necessarily</i> being blunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384687</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that for some readers I need to clarify that I meant that absence of evidence is not &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; evidence of absence.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that for some readers I need to clarify that I meant that absence of evidence is not <i>necessarily</i> evidence of absence.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Barrowman</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384686</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Barrowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simpleton wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Absence of evidence is sometimes only weak evidence of absence, but it&#039;s legitimate evidence nevertheless.&lt;/i&gt;

Good point. All evidence needs to be considered. &lt;a href=&quot;http://logbase2.blogspot.com/2009/01/absence-of-evidence.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As I have argued&lt;/a&gt;, Karl Popper&#039;s writing led many to see evidence exclusively in terms of either falsifying a hypothesis or failing to do so. We see this in nonsensical language like, &quot;There was no evidence of X (p=0.2).&quot; Sure, it&#039;s shorthand for &quot;There was no &lt;i&gt;statistically significant&lt;/i&gt; evidence,&quot; but it&#039;s quite misleading.

It&#039;s important to note that &lt;a href=&quot;http://logbase2.blogspot.com/2008/12/something-fishy-about-no-evidence.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;confidence intervals&lt;/a&gt; (or credible intervals) allow for shades of gray, rather than just black or white.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simpleton wrote:</p>
<p><i>Absence of evidence is sometimes only weak evidence of absence, but it&#8217;s legitimate evidence nevertheless.</i></p>
<p>Good point. All evidence needs to be considered. <a href="http://logbase2.blogspot.com/2009/01/absence-of-evidence.html" rel="nofollow">As I have argued</a>, Karl Popper&#8217;s writing led many to see evidence exclusively in terms of either falsifying a hypothesis or failing to do so. We see this in nonsensical language like, &#8220;There was no evidence of X (p=0.2).&#8221; Sure, it&#8217;s shorthand for &#8220;There was no <i>statistically significant</i> evidence,&#8221; but it&#8217;s quite misleading.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to note that <a href="http://logbase2.blogspot.com/2008/12/something-fishy-about-no-evidence.html" rel="nofollow">confidence intervals</a> (or credible intervals) allow for shades of gray, rather than just black or white.</p>
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		<title>By: simpleton</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384685</link>
		<dc:creator>simpleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 01:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absence of [evidence of] anyone looking for evidence is itself evidence of absence, if we consider:

1.  If nobody&#039;s looking, it suggests a consensus that there&#039;s nothing to find, which Aumann compels us to consider.

2.  Publication bias means we tend not to hear about people looking unless they get positive results.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absence of [evidence of] anyone looking for evidence is itself evidence of absence, if we consider:</p>
<p>1.  If nobody&#8217;s looking, it suggests a consensus that there&#8217;s nothing to find, which Aumann compels us to consider.</p>
<p>2.  Publication bias means we tend not to hear about people looking unless they get positive results.</p>
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		<title>By: a soulless automaton</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384684</link>
		<dc:creator>a soulless automaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim Tyler:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Absence of evidence is evidence of absence *if* some relevant tests have been performed&quot;

...is a bit of a mouthful.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s just not catchy enough, that&#039;s all. How about: &quot;Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Absence of looking for evidence is not.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim Tyler:<br />
<i>&#8220;Absence of evidence is evidence of absence *if* some relevant tests have been performed&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;is a bit of a mouthful.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s just not catchy enough, that&#8217;s all. How about: &#8220;Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Absence of looking for evidence is not.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cyan</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384683</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 22:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kieran: Better yet, use a hierarchical model, report the credible interval of the top level mean, and stop worrying about Type 1 error rates entirely.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kieran: Better yet, use a hierarchical model, report the credible interval of the top level mean, and stop worrying about Type 1 error rates entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/cloud-seeding-support.html#comment-384682</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, when the point estimate for one of the means is contained in the confidence interval of the other means they are NOT significantly different.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, when the point estimate for one of the means is contained in the confidence interval of the other means they are NOT significantly different.</p>
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