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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385427</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/04/27/smarkets-raises-second-round-for-launch-of-social-betting-service/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/04/27/smarkets-raises-second-round-for-launch-of-social-betting-service/&lt;/A&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/04/27/smarkets-raises-second-round-for-launch-of-social-betting-service/" rel="nofollow">http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/04/27/smarkets-raises-second-round-for-launch-of-social-betting-service/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385426</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGI-09 videos out - including some by Robin Hanson:

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://vimeo.com/3981759&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://vimeo.com/3981759&lt;/A&gt; - Economics of A.I.

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://vimeo.com/4007677&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://vimeo.com/4007677&lt;/A&gt; - Hard Takeoff Panel - Robin Hanson &amp; Hugo de Garis

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGI-09 videos out &#8211; including some by Robin Hanson:</p>
<p><a HREF="http://vimeo.com/3981759" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/3981759</a> &#8211; Economics of A.I.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://vimeo.com/4007677" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/4007677</a> &#8211; Hard Takeoff Panel &#8211; Robin Hanson &#038; Hugo de Garis</p>
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		<title>By: uncanny</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385425</link>
		<dc:creator>uncanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come my comment on the Uncanny Valley post has disappeared.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come my comment on the Uncanny Valley post has disappeared.</p>
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		<title>By: mjgeddes</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385424</link>
		<dc:creator>mjgeddes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note on my new interpretation of QM:

I finally abandoned Many Worlds (MWI).  Basically, I finally realized that QM actually implies a failure of reductionism.  I now believe all the problems of QM come from conflating what are really different irreducible levels of reality.  It&#039;s no surprise that Yudkowsky and co. are many-worlds believers, I now think this is a gross confusion arising from the attempt to interpret reality with a single-level model of causality (reductionism).

Listen:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The delving of the dark energy diving through the sea of starry treasure powers the perfect spheres of the rain-drops ringing Paris, and the wetness in the eyes of the actress reflects the dripping candy floss orbs eaten on the amusement wheel, whose rotation sparks the royal crystal glass held in hand, cupping the champagne from the court of Champagne&#039;&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

There now.  Doesn&#039;t that do more for you all than years of posts on Bayesian rationality ever will? ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note on my new interpretation of QM:</p>
<p>I finally abandoned Many Worlds (MWI).  Basically, I finally realized that QM actually implies a failure of reductionism.  I now believe all the problems of QM come from conflating what are really different irreducible levels of reality.  It&#8217;s no surprise that Yudkowsky and co. are many-worlds believers, I now think this is a gross confusion arising from the attempt to interpret reality with a single-level model of causality (reductionism).</p>
<p>Listen:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The delving of the dark energy diving through the sea of starry treasure powers the perfect spheres of the rain-drops ringing Paris, and the wetness in the eyes of the actress reflects the dripping candy floss orbs eaten on the amusement wheel, whose rotation sparks the royal crystal glass held in hand, cupping the champagne from the court of Champagne&#8217;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>There now.  Doesn&#8217;t that do more for you all than years of posts on Bayesian rationality ever will? <img src='http://www.overcomingbias.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385423</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYTimes has an article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/the-ideology-of-health-care/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;medical treatments which don&#039;t work.&lt;/a&gt;  It lists various examples and discusses the &quot;allure&quot; of ideology-based health care.  (Hat tip to &lt;a href=&quot;http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/04/042214&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;slashdot&lt;/a&gt;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYTimes has an article on <a href="http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/the-ideology-of-health-care/" rel="nofollow">medical treatments which don&#8217;t work.</a>  It lists various examples and discusses the &#8220;allure&#8221; of ideology-based health care.  (Hat tip to <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/04/042214" rel="nofollow">slashdot</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: mjgeddes</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385422</link>
		<dc:creator>mjgeddes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;work in this direction hasn&#039;t achieved anywhere near the success that Bayesian induction has.

Bayesian Induction alone is never going to work.  The reason is this: to avoid computational intractability, many different types of knowledge representations are required.  Induction alone can&#039;t provide the interfaces between the different representations, you need a system of mapping between different representations and analogy formation does that.

Further, Induction itself can be reinterpreted as just another analogy, since Induction involves a mapping between  the *functional* properties  of things - it depends on causal mappings, which rely on the fact that the mapping between states at two different time coordinates is  &#039;smooth&#039; or &#039;continuous&#039;.

Academics have to be blind to overlook this whoppingly obvious fact.

To quote Hofstadler again;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;One should not think of analogy-making as a special variety of reasoning (as in the dull and uninspiring phrase “analogical reasoning and problem-solving,” a long-standing cliché in the cognitive-science world), for that is to do analogy a terrible disservice. After all, reasoning and problem-solving have (at least I dearly hope!) been at long last recognized as lying far indeed from the core of human thought. If analogy were merely a special variety of something that in itself lies way out on the peripheries, then it would be but an itty-bitty blip in the broad blue sky of cognition. To me, however, analogy is anything but a bitty blip — rather, it’s the very blue that fills the whole sky of cognition — analogy is everything, or very nearly so, in my view.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Ref:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/hofstadter/analogy.html
&quot;&gt;Presidential Lectures:DouglasR.Hofstadter&lt;/a&gt;

Another example of the blinkered nature of academics is the so-called Newcomb&#039;s Problem.  What problem?  You take the one box only, I don&#039;t need some super-duper decision theory to tell me this whoppingly obvious fact, just plain old Geddesian common sense.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>work in this direction hasn&#8217;t achieved anywhere near the success that Bayesian induction has.</p>
<p>Bayesian Induction alone is never going to work.  The reason is this: to avoid computational intractability, many different types of knowledge representations are required.  Induction alone can&#8217;t provide the interfaces between the different representations, you need a system of mapping between different representations and analogy formation does that.</p>
<p>Further, Induction itself can be reinterpreted as just another analogy, since Induction involves a mapping between  the *functional* properties  of things &#8211; it depends on causal mappings, which rely on the fact that the mapping between states at two different time coordinates is  &#8217;smooth&#8217; or &#8216;continuous&#8217;.</p>
<p>Academics have to be blind to overlook this whoppingly obvious fact.</p>
<p>To quote Hofstadler again;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;One should not think of analogy-making as a special variety of reasoning (as in the dull and uninspiring phrase “analogical reasoning and problem-solving,” a long-standing cliché in the cognitive-science world), for that is to do analogy a terrible disservice. After all, reasoning and problem-solving have (at least I dearly hope!) been at long last recognized as lying far indeed from the core of human thought. If analogy were merely a special variety of something that in itself lies way out on the peripheries, then it would be but an itty-bitty blip in the broad blue sky of cognition. To me, however, analogy is anything but a bitty blip — rather, it’s the very blue that fills the whole sky of cognition — analogy is everything, or very nearly so, in my view.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Ref:<br />
<a href="http://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/hofstadter/analogy.html<br />
">Presidential Lectures:DouglasR.Hofstadter</a></p>
<p>Another example of the blinkered nature of academics is the so-called Newcomb&#8217;s Problem.  What problem?  You take the one box only, I don&#8217;t need some super-duper decision theory to tell me this whoppingly obvious fact, just plain old Geddesian common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Eunuch</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385421</link>
		<dc:creator>Eunuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for overcoming bias--I have reduced testosterone through drugs and then castration.  Questions?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for overcoming bias&#8211;I have reduced testosterone through drugs and then castration.  Questions?</p>
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		<title>By: a soulless automaton</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385420</link>
		<dc:creator>a soulless automaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple reply of &quot;yes, I am handwaving it&quot; would have sufficed.

Also, you have an interesting definition of &quot;following&quot;; Hofstadter has been on about analogy formation for the better part of three decades and, to my knowledge, work in this direction hasn&#039;t achieved anywhere near the success that Bayesian induction has. Nice try, though.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple reply of &#8220;yes, I am handwaving it&#8221; would have sufficed.</p>
<p>Also, you have an interesting definition of &#8220;following&#8221;; Hofstadter has been on about analogy formation for the better part of three decades and, to my knowledge, work in this direction hasn&#8217;t achieved anywhere near the success that Bayesian induction has. Nice try, though.</p>
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		<title>By: mjgeddes</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385419</link>
		<dc:creator>mjgeddes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;mjgeddes, do you actually have a rigorous formulation of analogy formation or are you just handwaving this?

Unfortunately the ideas still must have the status of &#039;wild speculation&#039; at this time.  *I know* I&#039;m right about everything of course, but unfortunately rigorous formulations require a lot of brain-power and the time and money to spend all day and all night working on it, which I don&#039;t have and can&#039;t do, respectively.

All I can do is state the facts and hope someone picks up on it.   I have finally seen a hint of a &#039;break&#039;  on OB  with Robin Hanson&#039;s threads on the low-entropy puzzle - which I&#039;m sure is the beginning of the chain of reasoning which will eventually validate my ideas - Hanson has realized something is very wrong with standard thermodynamics.  This *must* be pursued further.

Also, Douglas Hofstadler (one of the worl&#039;d top AI researchers) is following my line on analogy formulation.  In a recent interview in &#039;Scientific American&#039; he states:

&quot;I&#039;m working on a book with a French colleague, Emmanuel Sander, which is about how I see analogy as being the core of all of human thought&quot;

Link:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/douglas-r-hofstadter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hofstadter Interview&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>mjgeddes, do you actually have a rigorous formulation of analogy formation or are you just handwaving this?</p>
<p>Unfortunately the ideas still must have the status of &#8216;wild speculation&#8217; at this time.  *I know* I&#8217;m right about everything of course, but unfortunately rigorous formulations require a lot of brain-power and the time and money to spend all day and all night working on it, which I don&#8217;t have and can&#8217;t do, respectively.</p>
<p>All I can do is state the facts and hope someone picks up on it.   I have finally seen a hint of a &#8216;break&#8217;  on OB  with Robin Hanson&#8217;s threads on the low-entropy puzzle &#8211; which I&#8217;m sure is the beginning of the chain of reasoning which will eventually validate my ideas &#8211; Hanson has realized something is very wrong with standard thermodynamics.  This *must* be pursued further.</p>
<p>Also, Douglas Hofstadler (one of the worl&#8217;d top AI researchers) is following my line on analogy formulation.  In a recent interview in &#8216;Scientific American&#8217; he states:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m working on a book with a French colleague, Emmanuel Sander, which is about how I see analogy as being the core of all of human thought&#8221;</p>
<p>Link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/douglas-r-hofstadter" rel="nofollow">Hofstadter Interview</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tomasz Wegrzanowski</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/open-thread-2.html#comment-385418</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomasz Wegrzanowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;d love to see something written about is placebo effect in animals. Is it a human-only phenomenon, or does it exist in other animals too? I&#039;ve never seen anything about it, and this is a subject of very big consequences no matter if the answer is positive or negative.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;d love to see something written about is placebo effect in animals. Is it a human-only phenomenon, or does it exist in other animals too? I&#8217;ve never seen anything about it, and this is a subject of very big consequences no matter if the answer is positive or negative.</p>
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