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		<title>By: Cavemen debating society, Zombies created by crowds, Liquidating some gov, Making worse decisions that feel better, Assortative-mating created classes &#171; Mike Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cavemen debating society, Zombies created by crowds, Liquidating some gov, Making worse decisions that feel better, Assortative-mating created classes &#171; Mike Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Incompetence [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bjarne</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/future-incompetence.html#comment-384859</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjarne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.</p>
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		<title>By: Kios</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/future-incompetence.html#comment-384858</link>
		<dc:creator>Kios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They do not want society to regress to accommodate them.&quot; -Sideways

Scented candles come with warning labels about ingestion, vacuums with warning about genital insertion, and cups of coffee with warnings about the contents being hot. The original lawsuits that prompted these liability controls are predicated on the same problems that keep classrooms learning at the pace of the least-invested or apt students in the room, and television, movie, and advertisement production insipid and puerile enough to bore an intelligent eight year old. Regardless of desire the effects are obvious.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They do not want society to regress to accommodate them.&#8221; -Sideways</p>
<p>Scented candles come with warning labels about ingestion, vacuums with warning about genital insertion, and cups of coffee with warnings about the contents being hot. The original lawsuits that prompted these liability controls are predicated on the same problems that keep classrooms learning at the pace of the least-invested or apt students in the room, and television, movie, and advertisement production insipid and puerile enough to bore an intelligent eight year old. Regardless of desire the effects are obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/future-incompetence.html#comment-384857</link>
		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sideways: The way I read that extract, Wikler was comparing the modern city to a modern farm, which is not the same thing as comparing modern NYC to 18th century NYC.

The claim that intelligence is a bigger advantage now than it was in the past, seems to me to be different from Wiklers claim that intelligence is a bigger advantage in NYC than it is on a farm. (It is also different from the claim that intelligence will be a bigger advantage in the future &lt;i&gt;after human enhancement&lt;/i&gt; than it is now.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sideways: The way I read that extract, Wikler was comparing the modern city to a modern farm, which is not the same thing as comparing modern NYC to 18th century NYC.</p>
<p>The claim that intelligence is a bigger advantage now than it was in the past, seems to me to be different from Wiklers claim that intelligence is a bigger advantage in NYC than it is on a farm. (It is also different from the claim that intelligence will be a bigger advantage in the future <i>after human enhancement</i> than it is now.)</p>
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		<title>By: haig</title>
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		<dc:creator>haig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soft (libertarian) paternalism has always been my ideology of choice when I must be governed by intelligences/powers stronger than my own.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soft (libertarian) paternalism has always been my ideology of choice when I must be governed by intelligences/powers stronger than my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Sideways</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/future-incompetence.html#comment-384855</link>
		<dc:creator>Sideways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ad: fun to speculate about, but not the right question to ask given the topic. The right question is:  assuming no support services, would someone with mild to moderate retardation be more empowered in NYC in the 18th century, or in NYC today? What about an 18th century farm versus a modern farm?  Wikler has already given us the answer to these questions, though, so they aren&#039;t all that fun to ask.

Complicating the issue is that until fairly recently &quot;support services&quot; were in place that did more harm than good, like Bedlam-houses, electroshock, and lobotomy. Hopefully, future superintelligent overlords wouldn&#039;t treat &quot;normals&quot; that way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ad: fun to speculate about, but not the right question to ask given the topic. The right question is:  assuming no support services, would someone with mild to moderate retardation be more empowered in NYC in the 18th century, or in NYC today? What about an 18th century farm versus a modern farm?  Wikler has already given us the answer to these questions, though, so they aren&#8217;t all that fun to ask.</p>
<p>Complicating the issue is that until fairly recently &#8220;support services&#8221; were in place that did more harm than good, like Bedlam-houses, electroshock, and lobotomy. Hopefully, future superintelligent overlords wouldn&#8217;t treat &#8220;normals&#8221; that way.</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/future-incompetence.html#comment-384854</link>
		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The human world is just becoming more complicated, harder to navigate, and in general less &quot;farm-like.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Is it? If I were dropped off without warning somewhere in e.g. the 18th century, I might end up a lot hungrier than someone from the 18th century brought forwards 200 years.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The human world is just becoming more complicated, harder to navigate, and in general less &#8220;farm-like.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Is it? If I were dropped off without warning somewhere in e.g. the 18th century, I might end up a lot hungrier than someone from the 18th century brought forwards 200 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Sideways</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sideways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t need to take developmental disabilities into account to see that some people are already more competent to live in society than others. Intelligence isn&#039;t the only factor--sociability, wealth, and membership in high-status groups (racial, religious, etc.) result in the familiar disparities.

Eliezer, assuming that by &quot;farms&quot; you mean situations in general where disabled people are empowered, there is no agenda to &quot;destroy farms and replace them with asylums.&quot; The human world is just becoming more complicated, harder to navigate, and in general less &quot;farm-like.&quot;  Homes for adults with developmental disabilities are legally and ethically bound to empower their residents to live in the world, not to isolate them as the term &#039;asylum&#039; implies.

Based on this excerpt, Wikler&#039;s concept of a &quot;natural, inalienable right&quot; to live in a simple society sounds like a straw man argument.  Adults with disabilities can and do live well in our complicated world, if they have the support they need.  They vote, marry, have careers, give back to their communities, and so on. They do not want society to regress to accommodate them.  I hope that in a world of supermen, we &quot;normals&quot; could accept our limitations just as gracefully.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need to take developmental disabilities into account to see that some people are already more competent to live in society than others. Intelligence isn&#8217;t the only factor&#8211;sociability, wealth, and membership in high-status groups (racial, religious, etc.) result in the familiar disparities.</p>
<p>Eliezer, assuming that by &#8220;farms&#8221; you mean situations in general where disabled people are empowered, there is no agenda to &#8220;destroy farms and replace them with asylums.&#8221; The human world is just becoming more complicated, harder to navigate, and in general less &#8220;farm-like.&#8221;  Homes for adults with developmental disabilities are legally and ethically bound to empower their residents to live in the world, not to isolate them as the term &#8216;asylum&#8217; implies.</p>
<p>Based on this excerpt, Wikler&#8217;s concept of a &#8220;natural, inalienable right&#8221; to live in a simple society sounds like a straw man argument.  Adults with disabilities can and do live well in our complicated world, if they have the support they need.  They vote, marry, have careers, give back to their communities, and so on. They do not want society to regress to accommodate them.  I hope that in a world of supermen, we &#8220;normals&#8221; could accept our limitations just as gracefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwailo</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/future-incompetence.html#comment-384852</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Philip K. Dick have something to say about this @ 40 years ago?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Philip K. Dick have something to say about this @ 40 years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Roko</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/04/future-incompetence.html#comment-384851</link>
		<dc:creator>Roko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eli: destroying the farms and replacing them with asylums? I don&#039;t get that...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eli: destroying the farms and replacing them with asylums? I don&#8217;t get that&#8230;</p>
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