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		<title>By: www.td-markovci.com</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-672177</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Benefits of a College Education...&lt;/strong&gt;

From pop culture that lead us to believe that college is toga parties, all night drinking games, drama guild, love triangles and illegal between teachers and students. The college experience is different for everyone who makes it uniquely yours. Howeve...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Benefits of a College Education&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>From pop culture that lead us to believe that college is toga parties, all night drinking games, drama guild, love triangles and illegal between teachers and students. The college experience is different for everyone who makes it uniquely yours. Howeve&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Who Benefits Most From Attending Top Colleges? - Innovations - The Chronicle of Higher Education</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-467986</link>
		<dc:creator>Who Benefits Most From Attending Top Colleges? - Innovations - The Chronicle of Higher Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that in terms of earnings, it “didn’t matter” where a student goes to college, though in fact the study found that students attending schools with higher tuition costs, and greater levels of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that in terms of earnings, it “didn’t matter” where a student goes to college, though in fact the study found that students attending schools with higher tuition costs, and greater levels of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : Elite College Fems Earn Less</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-466856</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : Elite College Fems Earn Less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Klein quotes David approvingly. But as I reported two years ago, many, including David and the original paper&#8217;s abstract, quite misleadingly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Klein quotes David approvingly. But as I reported two years ago, many, including David and the original paper&#8217;s abstract, quite misleadingly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-456066</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you want to make money in business - start a business.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Have you ever done it? Speaking from experience, I can say that most small business owners -- including myself -- are over-worked and unhappy, not to mention they blow their savings on high risk and low return.

If you want to make money in business, convince people with money that they need to have you around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you want to make money in business &#8211; start a business.</p></blockquote>
<p>Have you ever done it? Speaking from experience, I can say that most small business owners &#8212; including myself &#8212; are over-worked and unhappy, not to mention they blow their savings on high risk and low return.</p>
<p>If you want to make money in business, convince people with money that they need to have you around.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-456065</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well -- isn&#039;t non-$ happiness more or less independent of where one goes to school?  It&#039;s just about choosing to do things you like, taking a positive attitude, etc.

The money question is indeed valid, though. One wants to know ROI on a $100k investment. And it&#039;s totally reasonable to ask, &quot;How can I get the good things in life to come to me?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8212; isn&#8217;t non-$ happiness more or less independent of where one goes to school?  It&#8217;s just about choosing to do things you like, taking a positive attitude, etc.</p>
<p>The money question is indeed valid, though. One wants to know ROI on a $100k investment. And it&#8217;s totally reasonable to ask, &#8220;How can I get the good things in life to come to me?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-456064</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you spell it out more explicitly, please?

Why should we listen to the working paper rather than the final version -- or exactly what dispersion does the WP cast on the final results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you spell it out more explicitly, please?</p>
<p>Why should we listen to the working paper rather than the final version &#8212; or exactly what dispersion does the WP cast on the final results?</p>
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		<title>By: VeryAnon</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-456043</link>
		<dc:creator>VeryAnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;STUDENTS WITH HIGHER SAT SCORES EARN LESS MONEY&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But scientist, college professor or teacher is more fun than being a salesman, accountant, manager, business executive etc.  Also more of the well motivated high SAT people might go on to grad school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>STUDENTS WITH HIGHER SAT SCORES EARN LESS MONEY</p></blockquote>
<p>But scientist, college professor or teacher is more fun than being a salesman, accountant, manager, business executive etc.  Also more of the well motivated high SAT people might go on to grad school.</p>
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		<title>By: Should you go to an Ivy League School? &#187; Gene Expression</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-455442</link>
		<dc:creator>Should you go to an Ivy League School? &#187; Gene Expression</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 04:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you check out their working paper (these results do not appear in subsequent versions of the paper and media reports), they find that the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you check out their working paper (these results do not appear in subsequent versions of the paper and media reports), they find that the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Payoff from College: Money Is Only Part of It - CBS MoneyWatch.com</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-436428</link>
		<dc:creator>The Payoff from College: Money Is Only Part of It - CBS MoneyWatch.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] payoff to sending your kid to a selective college over a merely average one, and I learned that while there are studies on both sides of the issue, the preponderance of evidence lines up on the side of selective schools. (Guess what we&#8217;re [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] payoff to sending your kid to a selective college over a merely average one, and I learned that while there are studies on both sides of the issue, the preponderance of evidence lines up on the side of selective schools. (Guess what we&#8217;re [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/03/college-prestige-matters.html#comment-434576</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is an interesting topic, but I find it somewhat disturbing that salary is the only thing mentioned in regard to the prestige of a college.&quot;

This is an interesting topic, but I find it somewhat disturbing that prestige is the only thing mentioned in regard to the value of a college education.

it&#039;s further disturbing that the &#039;value&#039; of the $200K expense for that private undersgrad education has nothing to do with books, learning or acquisition of critical thinking skills. Rather, we are told that the &#039;social networks&#039; are invaluable differentiator. 

If you want to make money in business - start a business. If you want to make money on wall street - go there. If you want to be an engineer - MIT will work but so will a state school for many. If you want the social networks, save the $200K and spend it on summer in the Hamptons and winters at Vail, and buy a Benz, for the &#039;prestige&#039;.

If you want to LEARN and acquire the life of the mind and become a scholar ... well, $40K a year is a stiff price to pay and probably is not worth it. 

The smartest comment was from the person going to the large state school. Yeah, with 40,000 undergrads, you&#039;ll find more genius students on that campus as in an elite school of a 1,000. The trick is to *find* them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is an interesting topic, but I find it somewhat disturbing that salary is the only thing mentioned in regard to the prestige of a college.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is an interesting topic, but I find it somewhat disturbing that prestige is the only thing mentioned in regard to the value of a college education.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s further disturbing that the &#8216;value&#8217; of the $200K expense for that private undersgrad education has nothing to do with books, learning or acquisition of critical thinking skills. Rather, we are told that the &#8216;social networks&#8217; are invaluable differentiator. </p>
<p>If you want to make money in business &#8211; start a business. If you want to make money on wall street &#8211; go there. If you want to be an engineer &#8211; MIT will work but so will a state school for many. If you want the social networks, save the $200K and spend it on summer in the Hamptons and winters at Vail, and buy a Benz, for the &#8216;prestige&#8217;.</p>
<p>If you want to LEARN and acquire the life of the mind and become a scholar &#8230; well, $40K a year is a stiff price to pay and probably is not worth it. </p>
<p>The smartest comment was from the person going to the large state school. Yeah, with 40,000 undergrads, you&#8217;ll find more genius students on that campus as in an elite school of a 1,000. The trick is to *find* them.</p>
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