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		<title>By: michael vassar</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael vassar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;20-1 odds with a 10 year time span?  We need some details but I may be up for that Robin.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20-1 odds with a 10 year time span?  We need some details but I may be up for that Robin.  </p>
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		<title>By: Hopefully Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/set-obamas-bar.html#comment-425645</link>
		<dc:creator>Hopefully Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think we should be more focused on the right type of opposition to Obama. The greater danger right now is a populist, intellectually impoverished, irrational opposition -in contrast to your more rational approach.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think we should look at what the purple representative districts are, and try to get smart, rational, competent people to win their republican primaries.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The best check against Obama is a republican majority in the house of representatives that criticizes and checks Obama in such a way that we enjoy positive externalities from it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should be more focused on the right type of opposition to Obama. The greater danger right now is a populist, intellectually impoverished, irrational opposition -in contrast to your more rational approach.</p>
<p>I think we should look at what the purple representative districts are, and try to get smart, rational, competent people to win their republican primaries.</p>
<p>The best check against Obama is a republican majority in the house of representatives that criticizes and checks Obama in such a way that we enjoy positive externalities from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/set-obamas-bar.html#comment-425644</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t it rather irrelevant since the metric of success will be how the media portray it, which given the dereliction of duty by the media in the last year or so, pretty much puts it in the bag by &#039;public&#039; standards. &lt;br&gt;
However, my bar is simple, follow through on the tax cuts he promised and fix the economy, the two central themes he ran on. I&#039;d also like to see troops home sooner rather than later for no other reason that I don&#039;t want to see them in harms way with a CiC that couldn&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about them.&lt;br&gt;
As for being a good speaker, I think the commenter needs to see him when he doesn&#039;t have a teleprompter.&lt;br&gt;
Obama&#039;s strategy always seems to be to distance himself from decisions, which is partly why there is such focus on his appointments. He likes to leave some room there so he has someone to blame.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Given that he has adopted the same policies as Bush on torture, Gitmo will be around for a while yet, and he is appointing Ratheon lobbyists, for 3 days, I see the same old same old.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it rather irrelevant since the metric of success will be how the media portray it, which given the dereliction of duty by the media in the last year or so, pretty much puts it in the bag by &#8216;public&#8217; standards. <br />
However, my bar is simple, follow through on the tax cuts he promised and fix the economy, the two central themes he ran on. I&#8217;d also like to see troops home sooner rather than later for no other reason that I don&#8217;t want to see them in harms way with a CiC that couldn&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass about them.<br />
As for being a good speaker, I think the commenter needs to see him when he doesn&#8217;t have a teleprompter.<br />
Obama&#8217;s strategy always seems to be to distance himself from decisions, which is partly why there is such focus on his appointments. He likes to leave some room there so he has someone to blame.</p>
<p>Given that he has adopted the same policies as Bush on torture, Gitmo will be around for a while yet, and he is appointing Ratheon lobbyists, for 3 days, I see the same old same old.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;jimrandomh wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&gt; Bush appointed a lot of incompetent people, leading to Katrina (head of FEMA), the Iraq invasion (head of the CIA), and economic collapse (Secretary of the Treasury).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;George Tenet at the CIA was a Clinton appointee (1997) whom Bush kept on.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you saying that Paulson was incompetent and that his incompetence was a primary cause of our current economic problems?  Or are you claiming that about Snow before him?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And isn&#039;t it a bit early to call the current recession an &quot;economic collapse,&quot; especially with actual economies actually collapsing to compare it to?  And non-collapsed European economies from five years ago that we&#039;re still not as bad as (as measured by, e.g.,  unemployment)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Making precise statements that conform to actual facts is helpful in overcoming bias.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jimrandomh wrote:</p>
<p>&gt; Bush appointed a lot of incompetent people, leading to Katrina (head of FEMA), the Iraq invasion (head of the CIA), and economic collapse (Secretary of the Treasury).</p>
<p>George Tenet at the CIA was a Clinton appointee (1997) whom Bush kept on.</p>
<p>Are you saying that Paulson was incompetent and that his incompetence was a primary cause of our current economic problems?  Or are you claiming that about Snow before him?</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t it a bit early to call the current recession an &#8220;economic collapse,&#8221; especially with actual economies actually collapsing to compare it to?  And non-collapsed European economies from five years ago that we&#8217;re still not as bad as (as measured by, e.g.,  unemployment)?</p>
<p>Making precise statements that conform to actual facts is helpful in overcoming bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kirkland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kirkland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Better than Bush? Well, when is the starting point? If it&#039;s the inauguration, the order to close Guantanamo certainly does it. Maybe the FOIA thing, or even just having an articulate speech. That&#039;s a pretty low bar.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To be a good president, have the finances in order comparable to the difference between Bush the former and the end of Clinton&#039;s presidency. Not necessarily a budget surplus due to how much worse Bush the lesser was.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better than Bush? Well, when is the starting point? If it&#8217;s the inauguration, the order to close Guantanamo certainly does it. Maybe the FOIA thing, or even just having an articulate speech. That&#8217;s a pretty low bar.</p>
<p>To be a good president, have the finances in order comparable to the difference between Bush the former and the end of Clinton&#8217;s presidency. Not necessarily a budget surplus due to how much worse Bush the lesser was.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry D'Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry D'Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If he doesn&#039;t start any new wars or torture anyone, then he wins (compared to Bush).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he doesn&#8217;t start any new wars or torture anyone, then he wins (compared to Bush).</p>
<p></p>
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		<title>By: Caledonian</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/set-obamas-bar.html#comment-425640</link>
		<dc:creator>Caledonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Historically, Presidents are considered to be &quot;Great Men&quot; if: they preside over great fortune for the country, regardless of whether they were responsible for it; or, they preside over great misfortune, taking steps that are extremely popular regardless of their actual effects.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Obama will be considered a Great Man as long as he doesn&#039;t screw up his public image too badly.  It&#039;s a question of perception, not actual accomplishment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically, Presidents are considered to be &#8220;Great Men&#8221; if: they preside over great fortune for the country, regardless of whether they were responsible for it; or, they preside over great misfortune, taking steps that are extremely popular regardless of their actual effects.</p>
<p>Obama will be considered a Great Man as long as he doesn&#8217;t screw up his public image too badly.  It&#8217;s a question of perception, not actual accomplishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbar</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/set-obamas-bar.html#comment-425639</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Surely, as an admirer of Taleb&#039;s work, you admit the existence of &quot;fake&quot; intellectuals, aka quacks. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t Taleb the biggest quack out there?  His next book will overturn all of organized knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Surely, as an admirer of Taleb&#8217;s work, you admit the existence of &#8220;fake&#8221; intellectuals, aka quacks. </i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t Taleb the biggest quack out there?  His next book will overturn all of organized knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven Daegmorgan</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/set-obamas-bar.html#comment-425638</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven Daegmorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I doubt the probability of Obama doing worse than Bush; is it possible? Sure, in that &quot;anything is&quot; one-over-epsilon way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is what you&#039;ve listed enough, for any president to be great? No. And if he were to follow the path you&#039;ve outlined, he would be a terrible president.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Greatness requires, you know, actually doing something great: taking risks and making successful choices. It has nothing to do with being lucky or your skin color. I suspect if Obama were to somehow screw it up, it would set back the progress made by his appointment and reassert racism in the public office, if not in society. Which would truly be worthy of judging it a &quot;terrible&quot; presidency.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How might that happen?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, if we recognize Bush&#039;s failures had nothing to do with being unlucky or any such similar nonsense, and they had to do with making terrible policy decisions in the face of terrible situations, and we extrapolate and recognize Obama is walking into situations more terrible than those faced by his predecessor (in this case caused by his predecessor, but that&#039;s neither here nor there), any terrible policy decision he makes is going to have results just that much worse because of the situation it is being made in (compounding errors).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, you can&#039;t rise as high as you might if you have to start in a ditch.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which means:&lt;br&gt;
He needs to be cut slack if things don&#039;t turn out roses.&lt;br&gt;
He can&#039;t be cut slack because we can&#039;t afford things getting worse.&lt;br&gt;
Though socially/politically safe, just riding it out isn&#039;t the mark of greatness.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which means:&lt;br&gt;
I don&#039;t envy his position.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Also: Kan haz less liburtearion, plz? Kthnx.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the probability of Obama doing worse than Bush; is it possible? Sure, in that &#8220;anything is&#8221; one-over-epsilon way.</p>
<p>Is what you&#8217;ve listed enough, for any president to be great? No. And if he were to follow the path you&#8217;ve outlined, he would be a terrible president.</p>
<p>Greatness requires, you know, actually doing something great: taking risks and making successful choices. It has nothing to do with being lucky or your skin color. I suspect if Obama were to somehow screw it up, it would set back the progress made by his appointment and reassert racism in the public office, if not in society. Which would truly be worthy of judging it a &#8220;terrible&#8221; presidency.</p>
<p>How might that happen?</p>
<p>Well, if we recognize Bush&#8217;s failures had nothing to do with being unlucky or any such similar nonsense, and they had to do with making terrible policy decisions in the face of terrible situations, and we extrapolate and recognize Obama is walking into situations more terrible than those faced by his predecessor (in this case caused by his predecessor, but that&#8217;s neither here nor there), any terrible policy decision he makes is going to have results just that much worse because of the situation it is being made in (compounding errors).</p>
<p>On the other hand, you can&#8217;t rise as high as you might if you have to start in a ditch.</p>
<p>Which means:<br />
He needs to be cut slack if things don&#8217;t turn out roses.<br />
He can&#8217;t be cut slack because we can&#8217;t afford things getting worse.<br />
Though socially/politically safe, just riding it out isn&#8217;t the mark of greatness.</p>
<p>Which means:<br />
I don&#8217;t envy his position.</p>
<p>(Also: Kan haz less liburtearion, plz? Kthnx.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/set-obamas-bar.html#comment-425637</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d suspect that if we are still in this recession, in any way at all, in 4 years then he will probably have been a miserable failure (unless something other than government policy sponsored by Obama is the cause).  --sw&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suspect that if we are still in this recession, in any way at all, in 4 years then he will probably have been a miserable failure (unless something other than government policy sponsored by Obama is the cause).  &#8211;sw</p>
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