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		<title>By: The fractured self &#124; Clare Flourish</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/disagreement-is-nearfar-bias.html#comment-535777</link>
		<dc:creator>The fractured self &#124; Clare Flourish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ago from the blog Overcoming Bias I got the idea of near and far thinking including the idea that our opinions about particular issues can be very different [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Excelente blog&#8230;ti hace pnsr, creo? creo crei creere!! &#171; Diego Gonzalez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Excelente blog&#8230;ti hace pnsr, creo? creo crei creere!! &#171; Diego Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: androit</title>
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		<dc:creator>androit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will do a little thinking and research and try to write up a potential post for submission(or to clutter up the open thread.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will do a little thinking and research and try to write up a potential post for submission(or to clutter up the open thread.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal, hopefully &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/a-tale-of-two-tradeoffs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; better explains &quot;why you thought you took something into account, when you didn&#039;t.&quot;

androit, if you can show me data on no-harm 30-50% cutbacks in other sectors, I&#039;m all ears.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal, hopefully <a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/a-tale-of-two-tradeoffs.html" rel="nofollow">today&#8217;s post</a> better explains &#8220;why you thought you took something into account, when you didn&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>androit, if you can show me data on no-harm 30-50% cutbacks in other sectors, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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		<title>By: androit</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/disagreement-is-nearfar-bias.html#comment-388762</link>
		<dc:creator>androit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retired: I think Hanson&#039;s beef with medicine is grounded in science-- the low (or nonexistant) marginal utility of the last 50% spent as established statistically.

What I&#039;ve always been curious about is why single out that sector of the economy?  What sector couldn&#039;t be pruned back 30-50%?  At the individual level, what goods or services?

Manufacturing, defense, finance, housing?  Agriculture, maybe.  (Hell, probably not.)




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retired: I think Hanson&#8217;s beef with medicine is grounded in science&#8211; the low (or nonexistant) marginal utility of the last 50% spent as established statistically.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve always been curious about is why single out that sector of the economy?  What sector couldn&#8217;t be pruned back 30-50%?  At the individual level, what goods or services?</p>
<p>Manufacturing, defense, finance, housing?  Agriculture, maybe.  (Hell, probably not.)</p>
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		<title>By: retired urologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>retired urologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@vanveen re: construal level theory

Thank you for the clarification. I suppose I should have been sharp enough to see the association. My major in college was psychology, so I am painfully aware that it is not a science (nor is social science or economics). How does one justify placing such importance on this unscientific construal approach to human behavior, while at the same time eschewing similar conduct by the medical profession when it uses perceived patterns of human response (to disease, treatments, etc.), not necessarily reflecting true scientific thought, in its interaction with patients?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@vanveen re: construal level theory</p>
<p>Thank you for the clarification. I suppose I should have been sharp enough to see the association. My major in college was psychology, so I am painfully aware that it is not a science (nor is social science or economics). How does one justify placing such importance on this unscientific construal approach to human behavior, while at the same time eschewing similar conduct by the medical profession when it uses perceived patterns of human response (to disease, treatments, etc.), not necessarily reflecting true scientific thought, in its interaction with patients?</p>
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		<title>By: vanveen</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanveen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>retired urologist,

the near-far bias is Robin&#039;s nickname for Construal level theory, which is a general theory of how the mind operates over time or within frames. essentially, thinking of psychologically near or distant concepts increases the probability of other psychologically near or distant concepts influencing future thoughts, which will lead unavoidably to various types of bias. the attribution bias you&#039;ve cited is an example one such type.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>retired urologist,</p>
<p>the near-far bias is Robin&#8217;s nickname for Construal level theory, which is a general theory of how the mind operates over time or within frames. essentially, thinking of psychologically near or distant concepts increases the probability of other psychologically near or distant concepts influencing future thoughts, which will lead unavoidably to various types of bias. the attribution bias you&#8217;ve cited is an example one such type.</p>
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		<title>By: retired urologist</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/disagreement-is-nearfar-bias.html#comment-388759</link>
		<dc:creator>retired urologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robin Hanson: &lt;i&gt;retired, yes that is an example&lt;/i&gt;

I think you may have it backwards. Intellectual attribution bias is not an &quot;example&quot; of your near-far concept; &quot;near-far&quot; is an example of IAB. Interestingly, IAB makes this less apparent to you. And since you are very smart, no one is likely to convince you otherwise, just as Shermer observes.

&lt;i&gt;For example, imagine I am well-educated and you are not, and I argue for the value of education and you argue against it.  I find it easy to dismiss your view as denigrating something you do not have, but I do not think it plausible I am mainly just celebrating something I do have.  I can see all these detailed reasons for my belief, and I cannot easily see and appreciate your detailed reasons.&lt;/i&gt;

This would be a perfect scenario to explain what intellectual attribution bias means. The fact that someone else noticed this reason for disagreement long ago does not diminish the importance of your adaptation; it&#039;s&#039; simply not the &quot;Hanson Theory&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robin Hanson: <i>retired, yes that is an example</i></p>
<p>I think you may have it backwards. Intellectual attribution bias is not an &#8220;example&#8221; of your near-far concept; &#8220;near-far&#8221; is an example of IAB. Interestingly, IAB makes this less apparent to you. And since you are very smart, no one is likely to convince you otherwise, just as Shermer observes.</p>
<p><i>For example, imagine I am well-educated and you are not, and I argue for the value of education and you argue against it.  I find it easy to dismiss your view as denigrating something you do not have, but I do not think it plausible I am mainly just celebrating something I do have.  I can see all these detailed reasons for my belief, and I cannot easily see and appreciate your detailed reasons.</i></p>
<p>This would be a perfect scenario to explain what intellectual attribution bias means. The fact that someone else noticed this reason for disagreement long ago does not diminish the importance of your adaptation; it&#8217;s&#8217; simply not the &#8220;Hanson Theory&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/01/disagreement-is-nearfar-bias.html#comment-388758</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal, yes your thinking they are easy to understand does embolden you more to disagree.

retired, yes that is an example,

Vladimir, I agree that it is better to understand why a position is good, but that doesn&#039;t excuse you from taking the best position you know of, whether you understand why or not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal, yes your thinking they are easy to understand does embolden you more to disagree.</p>
<p>retired, yes that is an example,</p>
<p>Vladimir, I agree that it is better to understand why a position is good, but that doesn&#8217;t excuse you from taking the best position you know of, whether you understand why or not.</p>
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		<title>By: retired urologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>retired urologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the &quot;Near-Far Bias&quot; concept of disagreement had a familiar ring. It is simiiar to Michael Shermer&#039;s description of &quot;intellectual attribution bias&quot; as described in his book &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_People_Believe_Weird_Things&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why People Believe Weird Things&lt;/a&gt;, specifically the chapter entitled &quot;Why &lt;i&gt;Smart&lt;/i&gt; People Believe Weird Things. In it, he states, &quot;smart people are about nine times more likely to attribute their own position on a given subject to rational reasons than they are other people’s position, which they will attribute to emotional reasons, &lt;i&gt;even if that position is the same as theirs&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;  He also concludes, “smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons”. In other words, the smarter you are, the less likely you are to recognize your own bias. In this light, if one were truly successful at &quot;Overcoming Bias&quot;, it would signal low g. So far, by my observation, there seems little risk of that occurring.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the &#8220;Near-Far Bias&#8221; concept of disagreement had a familiar ring. It is simiiar to Michael Shermer&#8217;s description of &#8220;intellectual attribution bias&#8221; as described in his book <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_People_Believe_Weird_Things" rel="nofollow">Why People Believe Weird Things</a>, specifically the chapter entitled &#8220;Why <i>Smart</i> People Believe Weird Things. In it, he states, &#8220;smart people are about nine times more likely to attribute their own position on a given subject to rational reasons than they are other people’s position, which they will attribute to emotional reasons, <i>even if that position is the same as theirs</i>.&#8221;  He also concludes, “smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons”. In other words, the smarter you are, the less likely you are to recognize your own bias. In this light, if one were truly successful at &#8220;Overcoming Bias&#8221;, it would signal low g. So far, by my observation, there seems little risk of that occurring.</p>
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