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	<title>Comments on: I Heart CYC</title>
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	<description>Overcoming Bias is economist Robin Hanson’s blog, on honesty, signaling, disagreement, forecasting, and the far future.</description>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : Debating Yudkowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-480954</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : Debating Yudkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but mental content &#8211; the more one knows, the faster one can learn. Lenat&#8217;s new CYC system has much content, though it still doesn&#8217;t learn fast. CYC might not have enough [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but mental content &#8211; the more one knows, the faster one can learn. Lenat&#8217;s new CYC system has much content, though it still doesn&#8217;t learn fast. CYC might not have enough [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gwern</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-453992</link>
		<dc:creator>gwern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not? As Robin says, the Cyc database is on the surface far more structured and useful than random English text. Are you envisioning a hard takeoff where the AI doesn&#039;t even bother with curated databases like Cyc and goes straight to reading Wikipedia&#039;s tagsoup and then Google Books &amp; the open web?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not? As Robin says, the Cyc database is on the surface far more structured and useful than random English text. Are you envisioning a hard takeoff where the AI doesn&#8217;t even bother with curated databases like Cyc and goes straight to reading Wikipedia&#8217;s tagsoup and then Google Books &amp; the open web?</p>
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		<title>By: annukumar</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-453981</link>
		<dc:creator>annukumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 07:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>explain cyc algorithm.................................................................................................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>explain cyc algorithm&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: annukumar</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-453980</link>
		<dc:creator>annukumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 07:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plz send me cyc algorithm answer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plz send me cyc algorithm answer</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir Nesov</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-391537</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir Nesov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin Hanson:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;AIs that can parse and use CYC should be feasible well before AIs that can parse and use random human writings.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I can&#039;t take that for granted.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin Hanson:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;AIs that can parse and use CYC should be feasible well before AIs that can parse and use random human writings.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t take that for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-391536</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Marcello: &quot;I must say, I&#039;m rather perplexed about what it even means for some information not associated with any particular cognitive architecture to be knowledge.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
If we hope to be create AIs that can read human writings, we have all the more reason to hope to create AIs that can make use of CYC, since CYC is more structured and easier to parse.  AIs that can parse and use CYC should be feasible well before AIs that can parse and use random human writings.   If that means we expect such AIs to share some basic architectural features with humans and CYC, so be it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Marcello: &#8220;I must say, I&#8217;m rather perplexed about what it even means for some information not associated with any particular cognitive architecture to be knowledge.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>If we hope to be create AIs that can read human writings, we have all the more reason to hope to create AIs that can make use of CYC, since CYC is more structured and easier to parse.  AIs that can parse and use CYC should be feasible well before AIs that can parse and use random human writings.   If that means we expect such AIs to share some basic architectural features with humans and CYC, so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-391535</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim Tyler:  I didn&#039;t know the Ing prize had expired.  I stand corrected.  With that said, the financial incentives still exist: owning the only company which could sell really good Go playing software would probably earn you more money than the Ing prize.

@Ben Jones: I presently don&#039;t have a blog.  I am trying to optimize for becoming a useful AI researcher, and my current strategy involves taking lots of math classes.  With that said, better ability to to communicate ideas like these looks useful, so I&#039;ll consider starting one.

@Robin Hanson: Having read the arguments in my second comment, have your opinions on whether architecture is overrated shifted?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim Tyler:  I didn&#8217;t know the Ing prize had expired.  I stand corrected.  With that said, the financial incentives still exist: owning the only company which could sell really good Go playing software would probably earn you more money than the Ing prize.</p>
<p>@Ben Jones: I presently don&#8217;t have a blog.  I am trying to optimize for becoming a useful AI researcher, and my current strategy involves taking lots of math classes.  With that said, better ability to to communicate ideas like these looks useful, so I&#8217;ll consider starting one.</p>
<p>@Robin Hanson: Having read the arguments in my second comment, have your opinions on whether architecture is overrated shifted?</p>
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		<title>By: Roko</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-391534</link>
		<dc:creator>Roko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you might be interested to watch this video:

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&amp;q=doug+lenat&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=video_result_group&amp;resnum=4&amp;ct=title#
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you might be interested to watch this video:</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&#038;q=doug+lenat&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=video_result_group&#038;resnum=4&#038;ct=title#" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&#038;q=doug+lenat&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=video_result_group&#038;resnum=4&#038;ct=title#</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-391533</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, the &lt;em&gt;full&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://senseis.xmp.net/?IngPrize&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ing Prize&lt;/A&gt; was for beating beating a Chinese-Taipei Go Professional - and the prize expired in the year 2000.  That was safe money, if ever I saw it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, the <em>full</em> <a HREF="http://senseis.xmp.net/?IngPrize" rel="nofollow">Ing Prize</a> was for beating beating a Chinese-Taipei Go Professional &#8211; and the prize expired in the year 2000.  That was safe money, if ever I saw it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/12/i-heart-cyc.html#comment-391532</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;EM&gt;if knowing lots is anywhere near as important as Lenat thinks, I&#039;d expect serious AI attempts to import CYC&#039;s knowledge, translating it into a new representation. No other source has anywhere near CYC&#039;s size, scope, and integration.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Knowing lots &lt;EM&gt;is&lt;/EM&gt; important - but there are other sources of knowledge besides &lt;EM&gt;Cyc&lt;/EM&gt;. For example, Google have slurped up the entire internet, and scanned a substantial proportion of the books that have been published - but they haven&#039;t shown much interest in &lt;EM&gt;Cyc&lt;/EM&gt;. Why would they? AFAICS, &lt;EM&gt; Cyc&lt;/EM&gt; is a useless, unmaintainable, GOFAI mess.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>if knowing lots is anywhere near as important as Lenat thinks, I&#8217;d expect serious AI attempts to import CYC&#8217;s knowledge, translating it into a new representation. No other source has anywhere near CYC&#8217;s size, scope, and integration.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Knowing lots <em>is</em> important &#8211; but there are other sources of knowledge besides <em>Cyc</em>. For example, Google have slurped up the entire internet, and scanned a substantial proportion of the books that have been published &#8211; but they haven&#8217;t shown much interest in <em>Cyc</em>. Why would they? AFAICS, <em> Cyc</em> is a useless, unmaintainable, GOFAI mess.</p>
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