<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Mundane Dishonesty</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html</link>
	<description>Overcoming Bias is economist Robin Hanson’s blog, on honesty, signaling, disagreement, forecasting, and the far future.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:23:58 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397971</link>
		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397971</guid>
		<description>Here is an approach to honesty that has worked well for me over a period of years with co-workers, random people, wives, children, and subordinates.

1. Tell the truth. Don&#039;t lie.
2. Sometimes the truth you owe people is &quot;That&#039;s none of your business.&quot;

I have not particularly tried this approach with bosses, policemen, judges, or IRS agents.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an approach to honesty that has worked well for me over a period of years with co-workers, random people, wives, children, and subordinates.</p>
<p>1. Tell the truth. Don&#8217;t lie.<br />
2. Sometimes the truth you owe people is &#8220;That&#8217;s none of your business.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have not particularly tried this approach with bosses, policemen, judges, or IRS agents.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Thom Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397970</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397970</guid>
		<description>To a virtue ethicist, this doesn&#039;t seem like so much of a dilemma.  Honesty is a virtue - that suggests that it is the mean between extremes.  The value with respect to honesty is truth-telling.  Too little truth-telling is a vice, often simply called &quot;dishonesty&quot;.  However, telling the truth all the time is also not being honest - that would be telling the truth too much.  We perhaps call this &quot;being a stickler&quot; (depending on context).
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To a virtue ethicist, this doesn&#8217;t seem like so much of a dilemma.  Honesty is a virtue &#8211; that suggests that it is the mean between extremes.  The value with respect to honesty is truth-telling.  Too little truth-telling is a vice, often simply called &#8220;dishonesty&#8221;.  However, telling the truth all the time is also not being honest &#8211; that would be telling the truth too much.  We perhaps call this &#8220;being a stickler&#8221; (depending on context).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397969</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397969</guid>
		<description>Lake,
That comes across as pretty conventional, much less restrictive than your first comment. I probably just misinterpreted it. Your first comment says that you should honestly answer questions, but doesn&#039;t address when it&#039;s OK to ask serious questions, which will necessarily reveal information. RH&#039;s #3 is probably about about boring, irrelevant, misleading possibilities, but his first two don&#039;t sound boring or irrelevant, but they might pick a fight. Sure, they&#039;re weird, but I think the cost is more than that.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lake,<br />
That comes across as pretty conventional, much less restrictive than your first comment. I probably just misinterpreted it. Your first comment says that you should honestly answer questions, but doesn&#8217;t address when it&#8217;s OK to ask serious questions, which will necessarily reveal information. RH&#8217;s #3 is probably about about boring, irrelevant, misleading possibilities, but his first two don&#8217;t sound boring or irrelevant, but they might pick a fight. Sure, they&#8217;re weird, but I think the cost is more than that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: retired urologist</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397968</link>
		<dc:creator>retired urologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397968</guid>
		<description>Evelyn:

I had the same employees (all female) for my entire 30-year practice (I am a heterosexual male). After the first 8 years, I changed from general urology to a practice called the Sexual Medicine Center. The kind, polite, refined Cajun ladies who worked with me went from never saying or hearing anything of a sexual nature in our office, to doing almost nothing but that for the next 22 years. Because many of the patients (all male) were unfamiliar with medical terms, these women both heard and spoke terms, to and from both the patients and me, such as &quot;hard on&quot;, &quot;come too fast&quot;, &quot;lump in my dick&quot;, and all the others you can imagine. The concept of sexual harassment apparently never occurred to them. The ladies cried when my injury caused the practice to shut down, but we still see one another periodically, because we all enjoyed our work environment. Is it possible that you&#039;re finding only what you&#039;re seeking in the workplace?
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evelyn:</p>
<p>I had the same employees (all female) for my entire 30-year practice (I am a heterosexual male). After the first 8 years, I changed from general urology to a practice called the Sexual Medicine Center. The kind, polite, refined Cajun ladies who worked with me went from never saying or hearing anything of a sexual nature in our office, to doing almost nothing but that for the next 22 years. Because many of the patients (all male) were unfamiliar with medical terms, these women both heard and spoke terms, to and from both the patients and me, such as &#8220;hard on&#8221;, &#8220;come too fast&#8221;, &#8220;lump in my dick&#8221;, and all the others you can imagine. The concept of sexual harassment apparently never occurred to them. The ladies cried when my injury caused the practice to shut down, but we still see one another periodically, because we all enjoyed our work environment. Is it possible that you&#8217;re finding only what you&#8217;re seeking in the workplace?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397967</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397967</guid>
		<description>&quot;As to #3, how would you feel if you knew that most women, attractive or not, were thinking about you in a sexual way most of the time, but not saying anything about it? And if you knew that most men were not thinking about sex most of the time?&quot;

Evelyn, with the advent of often draconian hostile work environment law, a woman can stop a guy from making any reference to sex (or anything even close to it).  But there is no way to prevent guys from thinking whatever they like.  And your words, &quot;attractive or not&quot; make me think it would be ok if an attractive person thought about sex, but it&#039;s highly objectionable if an unattractive person thought about it.

That reminds me of the Saturday Night Live skit which purports to be a preventing workplace sexual harassment video.  The lessons: Be Handsome.  Be Attractive.  Don&#039;t Be Unattractive.



</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As to #3, how would you feel if you knew that most women, attractive or not, were thinking about you in a sexual way most of the time, but not saying anything about it? And if you knew that most men were not thinking about sex most of the time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Evelyn, with the advent of often draconian hostile work environment law, a woman can stop a guy from making any reference to sex (or anything even close to it).  But there is no way to prevent guys from thinking whatever they like.  And your words, &#8220;attractive or not&#8221; make me think it would be ok if an attractive person thought about sex, but it&#8217;s highly objectionable if an unattractive person thought about it.</p>
<p>That reminds me of the Saturday Night Live skit which purports to be a preventing workplace sexual harassment video.  The lessons: Be Handsome.  Be Attractive.  Don&#8217;t Be Unattractive.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: guy in the veal calf office</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397966</link>
		<dc:creator>guy in the veal calf office</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397966</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m fond of the old saying, &quot;Just because its true, doesn&#039;t mean you have to say it.&quot;

That especially applies to #3 where, if you&#039;re not going to have intercourse, why bring it up and suffer the probable demerits?  And if intercourse is a reasonable possibility, then honesty (&quot;you are attractive, I wish to have sex with you&quot;) is not going to achieve your objective, unless its a prostitute, so you better deploy some game.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fond of the old saying, &#8220;Just because its true, doesn&#8217;t mean you have to say it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That especially applies to #3 where, if you&#8217;re not going to have intercourse, why bring it up and suffer the probable demerits?  And if intercourse is a reasonable possibility, then honesty (&#8220;you are attractive, I wish to have sex with you&#8221;) is not going to achieve your objective, unless its a prostitute, so you better deploy some game.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: frelkins</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397965</link>
		<dc:creator>frelkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397965</guid>
		<description>@Zubon

&quot;The hypothesis is that habitual honesty can be reasonably mistaken for dangerous madness?&quot;

Diogenes of Sinope found it so. Why would it have changed since?
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zubon</p>
<p>&#8220;The hypothesis is that habitual honesty can be reasonably mistaken for dangerous madness?&#8221;</p>
<p>Diogenes of Sinope found it so. Why would it have changed since?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Zubon</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397964</link>
		<dc:creator>Zubon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397964</guid>
		<description>The hypothesis is that habitual honesty can be reasonably mistaken for dangerous madness?

I cannot immediately rule that out as a fair description of a common belief, nor even whether it is a fair heuristic for most.  I do fear for our species.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hypothesis is that habitual honesty can be reasonably mistaken for dangerous madness?</p>
<p>I cannot immediately rule that out as a fair description of a common belief, nor even whether it is a fair heuristic for most.  I do fear for our species.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lake</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397963</link>
		<dc:creator>Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397963</guid>
		<description>This is the first time I&#039;ve been cast as an ambassador for normality, but I&#039;ll try my best.

Honesty per se isn&#039;t unpleasant. But it can be if, along with telling the truth, one is being boring, or puzzlingly irrelevant, or if in saying one&#039;s piece one also appears to be doing something else - making a pass, picking a fight or whatever. And in general, failing to observe the norms that govern truth-telling will make one appear unusual; perhaps mad; perhaps dangerously so. It should go without saying that most people prefer not to deal with the dangerously mad.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I&#8217;ve been cast as an ambassador for normality, but I&#8217;ll try my best.</p>
<p>Honesty per se isn&#8217;t unpleasant. But it can be if, along with telling the truth, one is being boring, or puzzlingly irrelevant, or if in saying one&#8217;s piece one also appears to be doing something else &#8211; making a pass, picking a fight or whatever. And in general, failing to observe the norms that govern truth-telling will make one appear unusual; perhaps mad; perhaps dangerously so. It should go without saying that most people prefer not to deal with the dangerously mad.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/mundane-dishone.html#comment-397962</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://prod.ob.trike.com.au/2008/08/mundane-dishonesty.html#comment-397962</guid>
		<description>Lake,
I think you are &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; different than the other commenters on this thread. Probably you are more normal. I think you could teach us  lot, if you expanded on your comment, but I have no idea what more specific to ask you.

Of course I have access to even more normal people, but it&#039;s hard to get them to admit that honesty is peculiar, let alone unpleasant.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lake,<br />
I think you are <em>very</em> different than the other commenters on this thread. Probably you are more normal. I think you could teach us  lot, if you expanded on your comment, but I have no idea what more specific to ask you.</p>
<p>Of course I have access to even more normal people, but it&#8217;s hard to get them to admit that honesty is peculiar, let alone unpleasant.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Page Caching using disk (enhanced)
Database Caching using disk
Object Caching 438/455 objects using disk
Content Delivery Network via Amazon Web Services: S3: overcomingbias-assets.s3.amazonaws.com

Served from: www.overcomingbias.com @ 2012-02-11 18:36:29 -->
