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		<title>By: satyam</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-440745</link>
		<dc:creator>satyam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i want yo say that do u have  any idea about third world nations. i belong it .so say whats idea about it . this is not a controversial matter this is a burning problem my friend. so tel what is the resuscitation say say say.how u can solve this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want yo say that do u have  any idea about third world nations. i belong it .so say whats idea about it . this is not a controversial matter this is a burning problem my friend. so tel what is the resuscitation say say say.how u can solve this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: turkey</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400039</link>
		<dc:creator>turkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because foreign nationals have a lower moral value than co-nationals.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because foreign nationals have a lower moral value than co-nationals.</p>
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		<title>By: Hopefully Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400038</link>
		<dc:creator>Hopefully Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, it&#039;s whatever we can get away with with regards to incentive pay. You&#039;ve uncovered the infinite footnote problem of blog comments. I wasn&#039;t able to add infinite nuancing footnotes to that comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, it&#8217;s whatever we can get away with with regards to incentive pay. You&#8217;ve uncovered the infinite footnote problem of blog comments. I wasn&#8217;t able to add infinite nuancing footnotes to that comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blume</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400037</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How about the type of incentive pay Bloomberg experimented with in NY? Bonuses to further your education, your kids education, etc. In some countries we&#039;d have to avoid reproductive choice incentive pay for religious reasons. May have to avoid female education incentive pay too. But I like incentive pay better than blind garunteed income.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re imposing on them the idea that education is the right and proper solution to their problems, but do not wish to impose the idea that reproduction should be a choice, or that women should be as educated as men - why?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How about the type of incentive pay Bloomberg experimented with in NY? Bonuses to further your education, your kids education, etc. In some countries we&#8217;d have to avoid reproductive choice incentive pay for religious reasons. May have to avoid female education incentive pay too. But I like incentive pay better than blind garunteed income.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re imposing on them the idea that education is the right and proper solution to their problems, but do not wish to impose the idea that reproduction should be a choice, or that women should be as educated as men &#8211; why?</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400036</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, i don&#039;t think welfare dependency would be a major issue. Its unlikely that the lifestyle supported by such a global welfare state would be high enough that people would lose incentives to work hard and improve their lot. Since we basically ensure the poor in the US a warm bed, indoor plumbing and food, we are ensuring them a paradise compared to what our bodies evolved to expect (sleeping outside on rocky earth, regularly starving, fighting cave-bears, etc.). A global welfare state might ensure malaria medicine and a cup of rice, but not much more.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, i don&#8217;t think welfare dependency would be a major issue. Its unlikely that the lifestyle supported by such a global welfare state would be high enough that people would lose incentives to work hard and improve their lot. Since we basically ensure the poor in the US a warm bed, indoor plumbing and food, we are ensuring them a paradise compared to what our bodies evolved to expect (sleeping outside on rocky earth, regularly starving, fighting cave-bears, etc.). A global welfare state might ensure malaria medicine and a cup of rice, but not much more.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400035</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for it. It doesn&#039;t make sense to help out people who are upper middle class by global standards just because they are closer to us. Its very myopic.

The idea is kind of like microlending, but instead we just acknowledge that we aren&#039;t going to get the money back. Couldn&#039;t we just send a wire transfer to a poor person in Cambodia, or wherever?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for it. It doesn&#8217;t make sense to help out people who are upper middle class by global standards just because they are closer to us. Its very myopic.</p>
<p>The idea is kind of like microlending, but instead we just acknowledge that we aren&#8217;t going to get the money back. Couldn&#8217;t we just send a wire transfer to a poor person in Cambodia, or wherever?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Goetz</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400034</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Goetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would guess that the poor folks here voted for direct payments rather than development schemes; and that the poor folk overseas would too, if they could.

The question is interesting because it suggests that U.S. voters decided to distribute foreign aid thru development schemes because they &quot;know&quot; that that approach gives the best results; and did not choose the approach giving the best results for themselves.  I think there is a common type of bias here.  A pilot may &quot;know&quot; that, in a given situation, an autopilot is much less likely to crash than a pilot; and yet choose to turn the autopilot off if he is the pilot.  I&#039;ve heard people explain, about similar situations that I can&#039;t now quite recall, that in a matter of life and death, they would choose the riskier option that gave them &quot;control&quot; over the less-risky option that did not give them control.

The US constituency in favor of overseas aid may be different than the constituency in favor of welfare here.  My recollection is that Americans overwhelmingly think we spend too much on foreign aid, so the forces keeping it in place are probably different from the forces keeping welfare in place.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would guess that the poor folks here voted for direct payments rather than development schemes; and that the poor folk overseas would too, if they could.</p>
<p>The question is interesting because it suggests that U.S. voters decided to distribute foreign aid thru development schemes because they &#8220;know&#8221; that that approach gives the best results; and did not choose the approach giving the best results for themselves.  I think there is a common type of bias here.  A pilot may &#8220;know&#8221; that, in a given situation, an autopilot is much less likely to crash than a pilot; and yet choose to turn the autopilot off if he is the pilot.  I&#8217;ve heard people explain, about similar situations that I can&#8217;t now quite recall, that in a matter of life and death, they would choose the riskier option that gave them &#8220;control&#8221; over the less-risky option that did not give them control.</p>
<p>The US constituency in favor of overseas aid may be different than the constituency in favor of welfare here.  My recollection is that Americans overwhelmingly think we spend too much on foreign aid, so the forces keeping it in place are probably different from the forces keeping welfare in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Cairn McDrum</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400033</link>
		<dc:creator>Cairn McDrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s William Easterly when you need him? Has anyone checked out www.globalgiving.com. It perhaps offers a workable solution to (some of) Robin&#039;s points.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s William Easterly when you need him? Has anyone checked out <a href="http://www.globalgiving.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalgiving.com</a>. It perhaps offers a workable solution to (some of) Robin&#8217;s points.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400032</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce Bueno de Mesquita explains why foreign aid is from government to government and who it&#039;s real intended beneficiaries are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2006/08/the_political_e.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Bueno de Mesquita explains why foreign aid is from government to government and who it&#8217;s real intended beneficiaries are <a href="http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2006/08/the_political_e.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/world-welfare-s.html#comment-400031</link>
		<dc:creator>Romeo Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem isn&#039;t money and has never been money.  the problem is making people self sufficient.  development programs that help out people in poor rural areas with agricultural education and financing of farm equipment/livestock have done well.
If you supply the means to become self sufficient to a people and they don&#039;t improve? not your problem anymore.
teach a man to fish...if he refuses to learn?  personally I&#039;d kick him out of my society.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem isn&#8217;t money and has never been money.  the problem is making people self sufficient.  development programs that help out people in poor rural areas with agricultural education and financing of farm equipment/livestock have done well.<br />
If you supply the means to become self sufficient to a people and they don&#8217;t improve? not your problem anymore.<br />
teach a man to fish&#8230;if he refuses to learn?  personally I&#8217;d kick him out of my society.</p>
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