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	<title>Comments on: Gary Taubes, &#8220;Good Calories, Bad Calories&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: eg</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-440911</link>
		<dc:creator>eg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;a calorie is a calorie is a calorie&quot; theory would be all fine and good were I a bunsen-burner, calorimeter or other such device. As I am not, the theory is insufficient. 

Furthermore, given a choice between the nutrition-experts and the biochemists, I&#039;ll take the latter, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;a calorie is a calorie is a calorie&#8221; theory would be all fine and good were I a bunsen-burner, calorimeter or other such device. As I am not, the theory is insufficient. </p>
<p>Furthermore, given a choice between the nutrition-experts and the biochemists, I&#8217;ll take the latter, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertS</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-434316</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m obviously a bit late to this discussion. I just finished reading GCBC, and IMHO it is the best investigative journalism I have ever read. After reading some of the comments dismissing essentially the highlights of the blog&#039;s review, and possibly some of the interviews, I am wondering if some of those that did not actually read the book have taken the time to do so. I find it particularly interesting that the same dismissive attitude evident in some of the above comments is the exact same reason current nutritional guidelines have evolved as they have. 
Katherine thanks for your comments. You really hit the nail on the head:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m obviously a bit late to this discussion. I just finished reading GCBC, and IMHO it is the best investigative journalism I have ever read. After reading some of the comments dismissing essentially the highlights of the blog&#8217;s review, and possibly some of the interviews, I am wondering if some of those that did not actually read the book have taken the time to do so. I find it particularly interesting that the same dismissive attitude evident in some of the above comments is the exact same reason current nutritional guidelines have evolved as they have.<br />
Katherine thanks for your comments. You really hit the nail on the head:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been twenty pounds or so overweight for 10+ years. I consumed large amounts of carbohydrates in the form of sugars and processed grains. Five weeks ago I removed all processed carbs from my diet and total carbs now make up about 20% of my daily caloric intake. I have lost 21 pounds in this short time, never feel hungry and have more energy than I&#039;ve had in years.  You guys can continue arguing but I&#039;m living proof of Taube&#039;s arguments. I will never go back to eating carbohydrates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been twenty pounds or so overweight for 10+ years. I consumed large amounts of carbohydrates in the form of sugars and processed grains. Five weeks ago I removed all processed carbs from my diet and total carbs now make up about 20% of my daily caloric intake. I have lost 21 pounds in this short time, never feel hungry and have more energy than I&#8217;ve had in years.  You guys can continue arguing but I&#8217;m living proof of Taube&#8217;s arguments. I will never go back to eating carbohydrates.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-426895</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;the Okinawan diet is naturally lowfat&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not true.  Free of the longtime Buddhist influence on the Japanese &quot;mainland&quot; (Honshu etc.), the Okinawan islands have a diet much like that of the Phillipines, i.e. plenty of animal protein in the form of pig and goat (and they famously use EVERY part of the animal as well).  That said, they also consume plenty of seafood and claim that the bitter melon is an important part of longevity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So given that Okinawans eat more animal meat and bitter melon than the average Japanese, maybe that&#039;s what Americans should be eating too. ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh wait.  The second longest average lifespans (by nationality) belong to the Swiss, who famously eat a lot of cheese and chocolate.  Or we can look at isolated communities in the Caucasus and Bulgaria, where the centenarians swear by the benefits of fresh yogurt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s all so confusing!!  Well, one thing we know for sure -- a diet high in saturated fat (percentage-wise) is not necessarily associated with early vascular issues, unless of course you refer to the chemically-laced, factory-farm-derived products that we find in the average supermarket here in the US.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Okinawan diet is naturally lowfat&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true.  Free of the longtime Buddhist influence on the Japanese &#8220;mainland&#8221; (Honshu etc.), the Okinawan islands have a diet much like that of the Phillipines, i.e. plenty of animal protein in the form of pig and goat (and they famously use EVERY part of the animal as well).  That said, they also consume plenty of seafood and claim that the bitter melon is an important part of longevity.</p>
<p>So given that Okinawans eat more animal meat and bitter melon than the average Japanese, maybe that&#8217;s what Americans should be eating too. <img src='http://www.overcomingbias.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh wait.  The second longest average lifespans (by nationality) belong to the Swiss, who famously eat a lot of cheese and chocolate.  Or we can look at isolated communities in the Caucasus and Bulgaria, where the centenarians swear by the benefits of fresh yogurt.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all so confusing!!  Well, one thing we know for sure &#8212; a diet high in saturated fat (percentage-wise) is not necessarily associated with early vascular issues, unless of course you refer to the chemically-laced, factory-farm-derived products that we find in the average supermarket here in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa in SRQ</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-426894</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa in SRQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I haven&#039;t read Taubes&#039; book yet.  I found this site from googling to view various reviews before purchasing the book.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Reading these differing comments has made the book a must-read for me now, so thanks one and all for that!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t see the metabolic advantage of very low-carb diets mentioned in relation to the amount of calories consumed across the 3 groups: low carb/low calorie, low fat/Mediterranean.  Very low carb forces the body to burn fat for fuel.  If I&#039;m not mistaken, in order to burn fat while the intake of carbs is high, you would have to first deplete the 13-hour glycogen store in the liver before your body would begin burning fat.  With low carb, the body is primarily burning fat for fuel all the time -- even when sleeping.  The limited amount of carbs fuels certain portions of the brain, but the rest of the body does quite well making the switch from burning carbs to burning fat, both dietary and stored in fat cells.  Atkins isn&#039;t a high protein diet.  It&#039;s a high fat diet.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read Taubes&#8217; book yet.  I found this site from googling to view various reviews before purchasing the book.</p>
<p>Reading these differing comments has made the book a must-read for me now, so thanks one and all for that!</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see the metabolic advantage of very low-carb diets mentioned in relation to the amount of calories consumed across the 3 groups: low carb/low calorie, low fat/Mediterranean.  Very low carb forces the body to burn fat for fuel.  If I&#8217;m not mistaken, in order to burn fat while the intake of carbs is high, you would have to first deplete the 13-hour glycogen store in the liver before your body would begin burning fat.  With low carb, the body is primarily burning fat for fuel all the time &#8212; even when sleeping.  The limited amount of carbs fuels certain portions of the brain, but the rest of the body does quite well making the switch from burning carbs to burning fat, both dietary and stored in fat cells.  Atkins isn&#8217;t a high protein diet.  It&#8217;s a high fat diet.  </p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-426893</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, low calorie diets work - but few can stay on them because you will be constantly hungry.  The low carb diets - particularly avoiding any high glycemic foods - allows one to not be hungry all the time which helps people actually stick to the diet. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I tried low-fat and low-carb and was hungry to the point that I purposely went to bed hungry because it was easier to tolerate while asleep. I still failed to lose any weight.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After reading Taubes book (and noticing the finger-prints of the carbohydrate lobby on defunding key research) I started a low-carb diet and lost and now maintain a healthy weight (with ease). I don&#039;t feel chronically hungry, fatigued and grouchy like I did on a low-cal diet. A low-carb diet has much more vegetables in it than the typical US diet. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Early man did not eat high glycemic food on a regular basis - he ate lots of meat as the size and type of his bones show.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you haven&#039;t actually read Taube&#039;s book, please refrain from making statements about what is in the book as many of the above posts are dis-informative and misleading. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, low calorie diets work &#8211; but few can stay on them because you will be constantly hungry.  The low carb diets &#8211; particularly avoiding any high glycemic foods &#8211; allows one to not be hungry all the time which helps people actually stick to the diet. </p>
<p>I tried low-fat and low-carb and was hungry to the point that I purposely went to bed hungry because it was easier to tolerate while asleep. I still failed to lose any weight.</p>
<p>After reading Taubes book (and noticing the finger-prints of the carbohydrate lobby on defunding key research) I started a low-carb diet and lost and now maintain a healthy weight (with ease). I don&#8217;t feel chronically hungry, fatigued and grouchy like I did on a low-cal diet. A low-carb diet has much more vegetables in it than the typical US diet. </p>
<p>Early man did not eat high glycemic food on a regular basis &#8211; he ate lots of meat as the size and type of his bones show.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t actually read Taube&#8217;s book, please refrain from making statements about what is in the book as many of the above posts are dis-informative and misleading. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hollerith</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-426892</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hollerith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Englishman Berners-Lee invented the &lt;i&gt;web&lt;/i&gt;, not the internet.  The internet was already an important vehicle for free speech when Berners-Lee started asking for volunteers to run his web-server and web-client software.  For the internet, thank the U.S. Department of Defense for the funding and the managerial vision and eight or so computer scientists and grad students for insights and decisions that caused it to turn out so well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Englishman Berners-Lee invented the <i>web</i>, not the internet.  The internet was already an important vehicle for free speech when Berners-Lee started asking for volunteers to run his web-server and web-client software.  For the internet, thank the U.S. Department of Defense for the funding and the managerial vision and eight or so computer scientists and grad students for insights and decisions that caused it to turn out so well.</p>
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		<title>By: FatThinFatThin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-426891</link>
		<dc:creator>FatThinFatThin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve experimented with food intake and exercise. Stopped daily exercise and watching what, how much, and when I ate. Didn&#039;t change what I ate, though. I tended to eat a bit more I guess. Had another serving here and there. The portions may have become 1.2-1.5x. Did this for 6 months. Good news: I got visibly fat, as I suspected. Gained about 25 pounds. Returned to the regimen. Got thin, but it took me 8 months.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve experimented with food intake and exercise. Stopped daily exercise and watching what, how much, and when I ate. Didn&#8217;t change what I ate, though. I tended to eat a bit more I guess. Had another serving here and there. The portions may have become 1.2-1.5x. Did this for 6 months. Good news: I got visibly fat, as I suspected. Gained about 25 pounds. Returned to the regimen. Got thin, but it took me 8 months.</p>
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		<title>By: retired urologist</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-426890</link>
		<dc:creator>retired urologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Troy: eat a balanced diet of carbs, proteins and fats...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nope. That&#039;s the establishment talking, not Taubes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Troy: eat a balanced diet of carbs, proteins and fats&#8230;</p>
<p>Nope. That&#8217;s the establishment talking, not Taubes.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/gary-taubes-goo.html#comment-426889</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;eat a balanced diet of carbs, proteins and fats (and not excessive amounts of any of them).  excercise often.  use common sense.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and you too can be fit and healthy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;amazing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eat a balanced diet of carbs, proteins and fats (and not excessive amounts of any of them).  excercise often.  use common sense.  </p>
<p>and you too can be fit and healthy.</p>
<p>amazing.</p>
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