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		<title>By: Realest</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-472236</link>
		<dc:creator>Realest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 16:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey came across this post as a joke Google Search. I&#039;m a CEO of several successful companies that I&#039;ve built from the ground up, so I have familiarity with every level of business. 

I was having a discussion after watching Michael Clayton. I applaud the author in his initiative to explore the edges of reality but there&#039;s several reasons why there is not a big market for corporate assassins. Since we&#039;re on a topic like this I&#039;m going to cut away the moral soppy bullshit but rather the actual reality. Do keep in mind though a lot of people think they are ruthless (and hate themselves for it), they&#039;re actually just nice people doing what is necessary. They&#039;re the same idiots who read Art of War and think one book makes them understand an entire discipline dealing with the most serious investment, life or death. They don&#039;t understand any of what they think they do. In comparision, I&#039;m the nicest guy but if someone steps in my way I will devour them with such intensity it will extinguish any hope they will even make it to the afterlife. Good thing then that everyone around me only benefits from my success. =D

A) MURDER IS A VERY PUNISHABLE CRIME: Businessmen being intelligent people have understood that while crime is profitable it is not sustainable and creates way too much stress and paranoia than it&#039;s worth. Only sociopaths operate in that industry without &#039;emotional burden&#039; as I could put it. So the cunts who are shitty at business and need to play dirty will try and bend rules but this is all in the legal realm. Because it&#039;s all malleable and it can be argued one way or another, their defense is in the shitloads of lawyers who are only in the occupation for money. A direct attempt to end someone&#039;s life is indefensible and due to the perception of his occupation, even if he survives jail he won&#039;t survive socially. 

B) GIANTS COMPETE, NOT PEOPLE: Murdering one person won&#039;t really do that much to a business&#039;s bottom line. CEOs are hired and fired all the time. I assume we&#039;re talking about huge corporations here as they appear to have the most &#039;motive&#039;. They have an immense infrastructure to support and sustain themselves, one person&#039;s would not impact that much, not even CEO. The essential function of people high up on the corporate ladder is to make decisions. A lot of people can make decisions. An exception would be if the CEO is the backbone and lifeblood of the company (public perception doesn&#039;t matter. So people like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, just like George Bush, they&#039;re heavily influenced by their Administration) 

D) Basically, like anything else, the reason why people don&#039;t do it is because they understand  the risk is not worth the return on investment. Using actual violence in business rather than legal or political channels of violence is naive and inefficient. The shittier you are at something, the more you have to cheat if you want to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey came across this post as a joke Google Search. I&#8217;m a CEO of several successful companies that I&#8217;ve built from the ground up, so I have familiarity with every level of business. </p>
<p>I was having a discussion after watching Michael Clayton. I applaud the author in his initiative to explore the edges of reality but there&#8217;s several reasons why there is not a big market for corporate assassins. Since we&#8217;re on a topic like this I&#8217;m going to cut away the moral soppy bullshit but rather the actual reality. Do keep in mind though a lot of people think they are ruthless (and hate themselves for it), they&#8217;re actually just nice people doing what is necessary. They&#8217;re the same idiots who read Art of War and think one book makes them understand an entire discipline dealing with the most serious investment, life or death. They don&#8217;t understand any of what they think they do. In comparision, I&#8217;m the nicest guy but if someone steps in my way I will devour them with such intensity it will extinguish any hope they will even make it to the afterlife. Good thing then that everyone around me only benefits from my success. =D</p>
<p>A) MURDER IS A VERY PUNISHABLE CRIME: Businessmen being intelligent people have understood that while crime is profitable it is not sustainable and creates way too much stress and paranoia than it&#8217;s worth. Only sociopaths operate in that industry without &#8216;emotional burden&#8217; as I could put it. So the cunts who are shitty at business and need to play dirty will try and bend rules but this is all in the legal realm. Because it&#8217;s all malleable and it can be argued one way or another, their defense is in the shitloads of lawyers who are only in the occupation for money. A direct attempt to end someone&#8217;s life is indefensible and due to the perception of his occupation, even if he survives jail he won&#8217;t survive socially. </p>
<p>B) GIANTS COMPETE, NOT PEOPLE: Murdering one person won&#8217;t really do that much to a business&#8217;s bottom line. CEOs are hired and fired all the time. I assume we&#8217;re talking about huge corporations here as they appear to have the most &#8216;motive&#8217;. They have an immense infrastructure to support and sustain themselves, one person&#8217;s would not impact that much, not even CEO. The essential function of people high up on the corporate ladder is to make decisions. A lot of people can make decisions. An exception would be if the CEO is the backbone and lifeblood of the company (public perception doesn&#8217;t matter. So people like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, just like George Bush, they&#8217;re heavily influenced by their Administration) </p>
<p>D) Basically, like anything else, the reason why people don&#8217;t do it is because they understand  the risk is not worth the return on investment. Using actual violence in business rather than legal or political channels of violence is naive and inefficient. The shittier you are at something, the more you have to cheat if you want to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wiecek's Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-463274</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Wiecek's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] question comes up now and then: Why don&#8217;t more CEOs go after their rivals directly &#8230; by hiring [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] question comes up now and then: Why don&#8217;t more CEOs go after their rivals directly &#8230; by hiring [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Corbet A. Sassin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-399902</link>
		<dc:creator>Corbet A. Sassin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, funny you should mention that.  How do you think I make my $.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, funny you should mention that.  How do you think I make my $.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Nguyen</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-399901</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Nguyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most common jobs written off as evil. &lt;a href=&quot;http://epchan.blogspot.com/2007/02/in-praise-of-day-trading.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Investing
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most common jobs written off as evil. <a href="http://epchan.blogspot.com/2007/02/in-praise-of-day-trading.html" rel="nofollow">Investing<br />
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		<title>By: Never Say it never happens</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-399900</link>
		<dc:creator>Never Say it never happens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever consider that maybe it happens all the time, but they use difficult to detect measures like drug or electrically induced &quot;heart attacks.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever consider that maybe it happens all the time, but they use difficult to detect measures like drug or electrically induced &#8220;heart attacks.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Thorsen</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-399899</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Thorsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best part of running a company is playing the game. Once you hit a certain net worth level it becomes less about the money and more about &quot;winning&quot;. So I think you&#039;ll see the same breadth of behaviors among business leaders as you do in professional atheletes. &quot;how far&quot; someone will go to win is inversely related with their &quot;need to win&quot; (self-esteem). In this regard I think that business leaders and atheletes are somewhat self-selecting. These are high achievers by nature and are probably less likely to stoop to base behaviors (Tonya Harding/The Mafia being such examples in the sports/business world).

So, the satisfaction in running a business is in winning but as we all know there is little glory in winning when one cheats. I have to think that most business leaders will have realized this by the time they are running billion dollar companies. That said, I think that most individuals are willing to bend rules if they feel that the competition is already doing so. I think this is a slightly different psychology than the &quot;everybody is doing it&quot; justification that we hear about so often. I think it&#039;s more of a rationalization. &quot;I have to break the rules otherwise _insert rationalization_&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part of running a company is playing the game. Once you hit a certain net worth level it becomes less about the money and more about &#8220;winning&#8221;. So I think you&#8217;ll see the same breadth of behaviors among business leaders as you do in professional atheletes. &#8220;how far&#8221; someone will go to win is inversely related with their &#8220;need to win&#8221; (self-esteem). In this regard I think that business leaders and atheletes are somewhat self-selecting. These are high achievers by nature and are probably less likely to stoop to base behaviors (Tonya Harding/The Mafia being such examples in the sports/business world).</p>
<p>So, the satisfaction in running a business is in winning but as we all know there is little glory in winning when one cheats. I have to think that most business leaders will have realized this by the time they are running billion dollar companies. That said, I think that most individuals are willing to bend rules if they feel that the competition is already doing so. I think this is a slightly different psychology than the &#8220;everybody is doing it&#8221; justification that we hear about so often. I think it&#8217;s more of a rationalization. &#8220;I have to break the rules otherwise _insert rationalization_&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Petersen</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-399898</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking the same thing during John Chambers (CEO of Cisco) recent press conference in Second Life. I mean, there was the perfect opportunity for somebody to assassinate a competitor without even breaking the law. It would have really disrupted their press conference. You could leave a paper trail and gradually reveal more clues about who did it in a way that would lead to really cool publicity for your organization...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking the same thing during John Chambers (CEO of Cisco) recent press conference in Second Life. I mean, there was the perfect opportunity for somebody to assassinate a competitor without even breaking the law. It would have really disrupted their press conference. You could leave a paper trail and gradually reveal more clues about who did it in a way that would lead to really cool publicity for your organization&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Harrson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-399897</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Harrson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A response to the comment by &quot;hopefully anonymous&quot;

&gt; &quot;Why do almost all white people refrain from checking &quot;black&quot; on college admissions applications?&quot;

I don&#039;t know, but here in the UK, a reasonable number of (white) criminals describe themselves as &quot;black.&quot;

This is because arresting officers have an obligation to allow the person arrested to make their own determination of ethnic origin on the arrest report.

I&#039;m told (anecdotally, by contacts in the police, rather than with statistical rigor) that repeat criminals have learnt that describing themselves as &quot;black&quot; serves to confuse subsequent juries about the police witness statements, as in &quot;Officer, you described my client as a Black man, about 25&quot; - how can this possibly be the man we now see before us?&quot;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A response to the comment by &#8220;hopefully anonymous&#8221;</p>
<p>> &#8220;Why do almost all white people refrain from checking &#8220;black&#8221; on college admissions applications?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, but here in the UK, a reasonable number of (white) criminals describe themselves as &#8220;black.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is because arresting officers have an obligation to allow the person arrested to make their own determination of ethnic origin on the arrest report.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m told (anecdotally, by contacts in the police, rather than with statistical rigor) that repeat criminals have learnt that describing themselves as &#8220;black&#8221; serves to confuse subsequent juries about the police witness statements, as in &#8220;Officer, you described my client as a Black man, about 25&#8243; &#8211; how can this possibly be the man we now see before us?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-399896</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is your basic premise actually right?  Is the murder of businessmen less common than the murder of criminals and politicians (in countries where murder is common).  A quick Google suggests that the number of businessmen assassinated in Russia (for example) is huge.

There may be a reporting bias as well - are Western media more interested in political murders in far away places than business murders in far away places?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your basic premise actually right?  Is the murder of businessmen less common than the murder of criminals and politicians (in countries where murder is common).  A quick Google suggests that the number of businessmen assassinated in Russia (for example) is huge.</p>
<p>There may be a reporting bias as well &#8211; are Western media more interested in political murders in far away places than business murders in far away places?</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Overclock</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/corporate-assas.html#comment-399895</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Overclock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Are there business domains in which killing your competitor is acceptable? If so, then we compare such domains with those in which it is unacceptable. E.g. Drug Cartels vs. Information Technology.

2. There is a military strategy that says it&#039;s better to wound the other guy than kill him. Wounded soldiers require many more of the enemy&#039;s resources than a dead soldier. So it&#039;s better to force a competitor to &quot;leave for personal reasons&quot; than kill him outright: golden parachutes, etc. make a larger impact on your competitor than just forcing them to promote the successor.

3. Do unto others... killing your competitor would require a huge investment in personal security for yourself. (See #1.)


4. With sufficient resources, murder can be made to look like natural causes. So it happens more often than we know.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Are there business domains in which killing your competitor is acceptable? If so, then we compare such domains with those in which it is unacceptable. E.g. Drug Cartels vs. Information Technology.</p>
<p>2. There is a military strategy that says it&#8217;s better to wound the other guy than kill him. Wounded soldiers require many more of the enemy&#8217;s resources than a dead soldier. So it&#8217;s better to force a competitor to &#8220;leave for personal reasons&#8221; than kill him outright: golden parachutes, etc. make a larger impact on your competitor than just forcing them to promote the successor.</p>
<p>3. Do unto others&#8230; killing your competitor would require a huge investment in personal security for yourself. (See #1.)</p>
<p>4. With sufficient resources, murder can be made to look like natural causes. So it happens more often than we know.</p>
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