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		<title>By: Fumi Bankole</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427319</link>
		<dc:creator>Fumi Bankole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Attraction to &quot;bad boys&quot; must be a hold over from when the talent for charisma buoyed manipulation and street smart fearlessness were a successful survival strategy - hey, like now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fumi Bankole, author of Canaan&#039;s Labyrinth&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attraction to &#8220;bad boys&#8221; must be a hold over from when the talent for charisma buoyed manipulation and street smart fearlessness were a successful survival strategy &#8211; hey, like now.</p>
<p>Fumi Bankole, author of Canaan&#8217;s Labyrinth</p>
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		<title>By: Michael F. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427318</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael F. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, if precipitated amyloid plaques were randomly blocking white matter pathways, that could explain why only certain gray matter degenerates over time for Alzheimer&#039;s patients, and why some physical therapy, &amp;c. is useful -- it helps generate new white matter networks to the same old gray matter.  If that&#039;s right, then Alzheimer&#039;s patients should be increasing blunt as the disease progresses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if precipitated amyloid plaques were randomly blocking white matter pathways, that could explain why only certain gray matter degenerates over time for Alzheimer&#8217;s patients, and why some physical therapy, &amp;c. is useful &#8212; it helps generate new white matter networks to the same old gray matter.  If that&#8217;s right, then Alzheimer&#8217;s patients should be increasing blunt as the disease progresses.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael F. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427317</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael F. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Ben Hyink&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the pointer to the research.  I&#039;m not surprised to see that there is a neurological explanation for the relationship between autism and psychopathology -- i.e., that the ratio of white matter to gray is higher than average in psychopaths and lower than average in aspies.  It seems that the white matter performs a multiplexing function for the gray matter&#039;s processing of information.  It&#039;s interesting that white matter continues to develop into middle age whereas gray matter does not.  Perhaps we have here a neurological explanation for the increase of wisdom with age?  (If &quot;wisdom&quot; is defined as ability to understand a comprehend a wider perspective of human activity.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From twin studies of autism, it seems that such brain physiology is not entirely genetic.  Perhaps there is a point in early development when some bifurcation occurs, causing white matter either to develop too fast or too slow?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As an aside, I am a person who is unusually blunt, and easily flustered in large groups.  I can&#039;t help wondering if that has to do with a white matter deficiency.  I&#039;ve not been diagnosed with Asperger&#039;s, however.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Interstingly, Silicon Valley seems to have a higher rate of Aperger&#039;s than the rest of the world.  There is always the possibility that this is a fluctuation, but I imagine that some of this could have to do with the fact that white matter tends to develop more slowly when it isn&#039;t regularly stimulated.  In effect, all of the highly educated scientists and engineers who have spent their lives in laboratories have stunted the growth of their white matter.  That doesn&#039;t make them Asperger&#039;s, but if you throw in how mirror neurons contribute to learning, then it might explain why so many of their children are Asperger&#039;s -- it&#039;s because they&#039;re not mirroring a full spectrum of affect to their children.  The problem is probably exacerbated by a general lack of time and attention to the children, which is caused by the intense work environment of startups and highly competitive technology companies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben Hyink</p>
<p>Thanks for the pointer to the research.  I&#8217;m not surprised to see that there is a neurological explanation for the relationship between autism and psychopathology &#8212; i.e., that the ratio of white matter to gray is higher than average in psychopaths and lower than average in aspies.  It seems that the white matter performs a multiplexing function for the gray matter&#8217;s processing of information.  It&#8217;s interesting that white matter continues to develop into middle age whereas gray matter does not.  Perhaps we have here a neurological explanation for the increase of wisdom with age?  (If &#8220;wisdom&#8221; is defined as ability to understand a comprehend a wider perspective of human activity.)</p>
<p>From twin studies of autism, it seems that such brain physiology is not entirely genetic.  Perhaps there is a point in early development when some bifurcation occurs, causing white matter either to develop too fast or too slow?</p>
<p>As an aside, I am a person who is unusually blunt, and easily flustered in large groups.  I can&#8217;t help wondering if that has to do with a white matter deficiency.  I&#8217;ve not been diagnosed with Asperger&#8217;s, however.</p>
<p>Interstingly, Silicon Valley seems to have a higher rate of Aperger&#8217;s than the rest of the world.  There is always the possibility that this is a fluctuation, but I imagine that some of this could have to do with the fact that white matter tends to develop more slowly when it isn&#8217;t regularly stimulated.  In effect, all of the highly educated scientists and engineers who have spent their lives in laboratories have stunted the growth of their white matter.  That doesn&#8217;t make them Asperger&#8217;s, but if you throw in how mirror neurons contribute to learning, then it might explain why so many of their children are Asperger&#8217;s &#8212; it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re not mirroring a full spectrum of affect to their children.  The problem is probably exacerbated by a general lack of time and attention to the children, which is caused by the intense work environment of startups and highly competitive technology companies.</p>
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		<title>By: michael vassar</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427316</link>
		<dc:creator>michael vassar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Z.M. Davis:  I hope that you feel well.  For my part, apology accepted.  Thank you for caring.  Killthread seconded.  I will post a follow-up given the level of interest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Z.M. Davis:  I hope that you feel well.  For my part, apology accepted.  Thank you for caring.  Killthread seconded.  I will post a follow-up given the level of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Z. M. Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427315</link>
		<dc:creator>Z. M. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think I&#039;ve, um, been kind of emotionally floored for much of the last fifteen hours. (It turns out that talk of banning has an intimidating effect of its own.) &lt;b&gt;I hereby retract, and apologize for, my comment of June 28 at 01:55 AM.&lt;/b&gt; I would also humbly suggest a &lt;b&gt;killthread&lt;/b&gt;, as this conversation may have outlived its usefulness.  I am,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yours in truthseeking,&lt;br&gt;
Z. M. Davis&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ve, um, been kind of emotionally floored for much of the last fifteen hours. (It turns out that talk of banning has an intimidating effect of its own.) <b>I hereby retract, and apologize for, my comment of June 28 at 01:55 AM.</b> I would also humbly suggest a <b>killthread</b>, as this conversation may have outlived its usefulness.  I am,</p>
<p>Yours in truthseeking,<br />
Z. M. Davis</p>
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		<title>By: mjgeddes</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427314</link>
		<dc:creator>mjgeddes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m a bit surprised at your puzzlement.  If you read the materials from the pick-up community the mating game seems very  simple:  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Men go ga-ga over good looks, woman go ga-ga over high status.  Seems pretty basic and simple.  That really is all there is to it.  Really.  That&#039;s why woman spend so much of their time trying to look good and men spend so much of their time trying to create the outward appearance of high-status.  These actitivites are simply what the opposite sex responds to, and are what signal reproductive fitness. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Disclaimer: I&#039;m not being cynical here at all, I&#039;m merely stating a completely amoral bald fact.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t really find it that interesting.  I just have to note that humans seem to invest massive amounts of their time and energy playing these mating games, and I have to wonder what could be achieved if even a small fraction of all that time and energy was diverted into other pursuits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This &#039;relationship&#039; business must surely drain away massive amounts of time and energy that would be better spent on learning LISP or Ruby (for programming the AGI).  I know for a fact that having someone else in my face all day would just drive me completely insane. It ain&#039;t worth it.  The chicks are slowing you guys down too much ;) &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit surprised at your puzzlement.  If you read the materials from the pick-up community the mating game seems very  simple:  </p>
<p>Men go ga-ga over good looks, woman go ga-ga over high status.  Seems pretty basic and simple.  That really is all there is to it.  Really.  That&#8217;s why woman spend so much of their time trying to look good and men spend so much of their time trying to create the outward appearance of high-status.  These actitivites are simply what the opposite sex responds to, and are what signal reproductive fitness. </p>
<p>Disclaimer: I&#8217;m not being cynical here at all, I&#8217;m merely stating a completely amoral bald fact.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really find it that interesting.  I just have to note that humans seem to invest massive amounts of their time and energy playing these mating games, and I have to wonder what could be achieved if even a small fraction of all that time and energy was diverted into other pursuits.</p>
<p>This &#8216;relationship&#8217; business must surely drain away massive amounts of time and energy that would be better spent on learning LISP or Ruby (for programming the AGI).  I know for a fact that having someone else in my face all day would just drive me completely insane. It ain&#8217;t worth it.  The chicks are slowing you guys down too much <img src='http://www.overcomingbias.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: Nick Tarleton</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427313</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Tarleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(I might as well take this thread further off track.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Michael: Your first sentence is obviously right, but how about people who get into moral philosophy later in life? The quote says &quot;...those that have &lt;b&gt;read&lt;/b&gt;...&quot;, but also &quot;the degree or depth of your &lt;b&gt;commitment&lt;/b&gt;&quot;, so it&#039;s not clear just what it is that&#039;s not a predictor. Google &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=%22sense+of+being+socially+marginal%22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;turns up&lt;/a&gt; other references, none of which unfortunately seem to say which factors were not good predictors; nor can I find anything on personality and the Milgram experiment. Anyway, this doesn&#039;t have much to do with the point about stereotypes of virtue and good/bad boys.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I might as well take this thread further off track.)</p>
<p>Michael: Your first sentence is obviously right, but how about people who get into moral philosophy later in life? The quote says &#8220;&#8230;those that have <b>read</b>&#8230;&#8221;, but also &#8220;the degree or depth of your <b>commitment</b>&#8220;, so it&#8217;s not clear just what it is that&#8217;s not a predictor. Google <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22sense+of+being+socially+marginal%22" rel="nofollow">turns up</a> other references, none of which unfortunately seem to say which factors were not good predictors; nor can I find anything on personality and the Milgram experiment. Anyway, this doesn&#8217;t have much to do with the point about stereotypes of virtue and good/bad boys.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliezer Yudkowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427312</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliezer Yudkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richard?  Don&#039;t do it again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard?  Don&#8217;t do it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hollerith</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427311</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hollerith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My guess is that hitting on the female posters is . . . in bad form.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree and do not mind that you point it out, Michael.  (I hit on Sister Y about a month ago here.)  My excuse is that because of chronic illness and attempts to ameliorate chronic illness, my brain occasionally &quot;produces too much dopamine&quot; (vast oversimplification, tentative hypothesis) which causes impulsivity and impairs social judgement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I too find the conversation here vastly more worthwhile than most conversations and consequently worth defending.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My guess is that hitting on the female posters is . . . in bad form.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree and do not mind that you point it out, Michael.  (I hit on Sister Y about a month ago here.)  My excuse is that because of chronic illness and attempts to ameliorate chronic illness, my brain occasionally &#8220;produces too much dopamine&#8221; (vast oversimplification, tentative hypothesis) which causes impulsivity and impairs social judgement.</p>
<p>I too find the conversation here vastly more worthwhile than most conversations and consequently worth defending.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura  ABJ</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/06/why-do-psychopa.html#comment-427310</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura  ABJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richard, et al-&lt;br&gt;
I was not trying to turn this blog into a personal mating ground... If any of you want to ask me something personal, take it to my &#039;junk&#039; email address:&lt;br&gt;
Cingulate2000@gmail.com&lt;br&gt;
where my pseudonym is Lara Foster.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, et al-<br />
I was not trying to turn this blog into a personal mating ground&#8230; If any of you want to ask me something personal, take it to my &#8216;junk&#8217; email address:<br />
<a href="mailto:Cingulate2000@gmail.com">Cingulate2000@gmail.com</a><br />
where my pseudonym is Lara Foster.</p>
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