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		<title>By: Notes from The Black Swan by Nassim Taleb @ Glen Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-429321</link>
		<dc:creator>Notes from The Black Swan by Nassim Taleb @ Glen Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that it makes you more stupid about things that matter. I even stumbled across a compilation of quotes against news today. In the arts – say the cinema – things are far more vicious. What we call “talent” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that it makes you more stupid about things that matter. I even stumbled across a compilation of quotes against news today. In the arts – say the cinema – things are far more vicious. What we call “talent” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Last Real New Yorker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406270</link>
		<dc:creator>The Last Real New Yorker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is douchiest, most arrogant article I have read in a long time. I am now stupider for having read it (a sample of 1, just like Daniel Reeves &quot;experiment&quot; with his dad).

So where does that leave this blog post on your high-brow literature vs. low-brow news spectrum?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is douchiest, most arrogant article I have read in a long time. I am now stupider for having read it (a sample of 1, just like Daniel Reeves &#8220;experiment&#8221; with his dad).</p>
<p>So where does that leave this blog post on your high-brow literature vs. low-brow news spectrum?</p>
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		<title>By: Noumenon</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406269</link>
		<dc:creator>Noumenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, we may be the only people who will ever pay attention to the news.  For example, women in the military was a big deal ten years ago and there was a ton of debate about it.  Now there isn&#039;t any, and in the future people will just not think about it the way we hardly ever think about blacks in the military.  So if it was a bad idea, the people who read the news and paid attention to the debate when it was going on are the only ones who had a chance to stop it.  Or think about all the elections that have been stolen in the U.S. over the years, and how little we remember about them now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, we may be the only people who will ever pay attention to the news.  For example, women in the military was a big deal ten years ago and there was a ton of debate about it.  Now there isn&#8217;t any, and in the future people will just not think about it the way we hardly ever think about blacks in the military.  So if it was a bad idea, the people who read the news and paid attention to the debate when it was going on are the only ones who had a chance to stop it.  Or think about all the elections that have been stolen in the U.S. over the years, and how little we remember about them now.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Reeves</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406268</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Reeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tested this hypothesis. My dad reads newspapers. I tried holding an intellectual discussion with him. He falls back to rhetoric and sloppy reasoning, and speaks really loudly. Yup. Newspapers are substitutes for truly insightful reading. Now if only the &quot;read the newspaper you uncultured blah blah blah&quot; types could learn this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tested this hypothesis. My dad reads newspapers. I tried holding an intellectual discussion with him. He falls back to rhetoric and sloppy reasoning, and speaks really loudly. Yup. Newspapers are substitutes for truly insightful reading. Now if only the &#8220;read the newspaper you uncultured blah blah blah&#8221; types could learn this.</p>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406267</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin -- You&#039;ve set up a strawman version of my critique here. I don&#039;t mean news is &#039;raw data&#039; in the sense of &#039;unbiased.&#039; I mean in the sense of &#039;input to your cognitive processes.&#039; Of course we&#039;ve all thought about the critiques in works like Chomsky&#039;s &#039;Manufacturing Consent&#039; but the fact that the news is ideologically motivated and consciously manufactured to a certain extent doesn&#039;t make it complete noise.

And of course I don&#039;t read your opinion as &#039;zero news&#039; either. Nobody can do that really. I mean &#039;non-trivial levels.&#039; I argue that unless you are tunnel-vision focused on an obscure and socially non-active intellectual pursuit (where, say, there isn&#039;t even an active scholarly community), you need to keep up with the news. Depending on where between &#039;armchair general&#039; and &#039;worker in the field&#039; you are, the news becomes less/more important. In highly competitive domains, you&#039;d better be watching the news like a hawk, because it isn&#039;t just a question of &#039;interesting information&#039; -- it can be &#039;actionable information.&#039;

Mainly, I think I was reacting to the unreconstructed tone of &#039;high-culture-vs.-low-culture&#039; in your post. Maybe I was seeing something that wasn&#039;t there or intended :).

Venkat


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin &#8212; You&#8217;ve set up a strawman version of my critique here. I don&#8217;t mean news is &#8216;raw data&#8217; in the sense of &#8216;unbiased.&#8217; I mean in the sense of &#8216;input to your cognitive processes.&#8217; Of course we&#8217;ve all thought about the critiques in works like Chomsky&#8217;s &#8216;Manufacturing Consent&#8217; but the fact that the news is ideologically motivated and consciously manufactured to a certain extent doesn&#8217;t make it complete noise.</p>
<p>And of course I don&#8217;t read your opinion as &#8216;zero news&#8217; either. Nobody can do that really. I mean &#8216;non-trivial levels.&#8217; I argue that unless you are tunnel-vision focused on an obscure and socially non-active intellectual pursuit (where, say, there isn&#8217;t even an active scholarly community), you need to keep up with the news. Depending on where between &#8216;armchair general&#8217; and &#8216;worker in the field&#8217; you are, the news becomes less/more important. In highly competitive domains, you&#8217;d better be watching the news like a hawk, because it isn&#8217;t just a question of &#8216;interesting information&#8217; &#8212; it can be &#8216;actionable information.&#8217;</p>
<p>Mainly, I think I was reacting to the unreconstructed tone of &#8216;high-culture-vs.-low-culture&#8217; in your post. Maybe I was seeing something that wasn&#8217;t there or intended <img src='http://www.overcomingbias.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Venkat</p>
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		<title>By: Atanu Dey</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406266</link>
		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the quote from Bill McKibben&#039;s book &quot;The Age of Missing Information&quot; (pg 163):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Here&#039;s one way of asking the question -- if instead of watching the news each night on television, or devouring the newspaper each morning, you heard only one newscast a week, or read every third or fourth issue of Newsweek. If you reflected carefully on what you did read, I think in some ways you&#039;d understand more about the planet. You&#039;d still be more familiar with what was going on than almost any human being in history -- you&#039;d know about the gap between the rich and poor, about ecological threats, about styles and trends, about political shifts and disasters. You&#039;d know from re petition what really counted. And anything you didn&#039;t find out about -- anything that flared up for just a day or two and then died out -- couldn&#039;t matter much.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the quote from Bill McKibben&#8217;s book &#8220;The Age of Missing Information&#8221; (pg 163):</p>
<blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s one way of asking the question &#8212; if instead of watching the news each night on television, or devouring the newspaper each morning, you heard only one newscast a week, or read every third or fourth issue of Newsweek. If you reflected carefully on what you did read, I think in some ways you&#8217;d understand more about the planet. You&#8217;d still be more familiar with what was going on than almost any human being in history &#8212; you&#8217;d know about the gap between the rich and poor, about ecological threats, about styles and trends, about political shifts and disasters. You&#8217;d know from re petition what really counted. And anything you didn&#8217;t find out about &#8212; anything that flared up for just a day or two and then died out &#8212; couldn&#8217;t matter much.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Q the Enchanter</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406265</link>
		<dc:creator>Q the Enchanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, &lt;i&gt;in re&lt;/i&gt; childhood development, doesn&#039;t it seem like it&#039;d be a better approach vis-a-vis newspapers to have children discuss news articles critically? The point isn&#039;t to memorize news articles like times tables (so Jefferson&#039;s point is quite inapt); the point, it seems to me, is for the student to learn how journalism works, and how it doesn&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, <i>in re</i> childhood development, doesn&#8217;t it seem like it&#8217;d be a better approach vis-a-vis newspapers to have children discuss news articles critically? The point isn&#8217;t to memorize news articles like times tables (so Jefferson&#8217;s point is quite inapt); the point, it seems to me, is for the student to learn how journalism works, and how it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Q the Enchanter</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406264</link>
		<dc:creator>Q the Enchanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it. Everyone will of course draw lines in their reading of news, as they will in their reading of literature. (C.S. Lewis? Not on &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; list.) It doesn&#039;t take much reading ability quickly to distinguish the latest gossip about Paris Hilton from a substantive report about the latest massacre in Iraq. The former information is eternally inconsequential; that the latter is highly pertinent information only now has no bearing on its importance: It doesn&#039;t matter that it won&#039;t be important in a hundred years, because we&#039;ll all be dead then.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it. Everyone will of course draw lines in their reading of news, as they will in their reading of literature. (C.S. Lewis? Not on <i>my</i> list.) It doesn&#8217;t take much reading ability quickly to distinguish the latest gossip about Paris Hilton from a substantive report about the latest massacre in Iraq. The former information is eternally inconsequential; that the latter is highly pertinent information only now has no bearing on its importance: It doesn&#8217;t matter that it won&#8217;t be important in a hundred years, because we&#8217;ll all be dead then.)</p>
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		<title>By: Will Pearson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406263</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there any prediction markets that deal with things like trying to predict the mix of types of energy production of a country? Or the oil production of a country/region/world.

I find the current ones not so informative when trying guess what the future will actually be like. I have read detailed reports with different conclusions, but I have found nothing to synthesize the results. So I have to rely on my own judgement supplemented by news, which is very time consuming.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any prediction markets that deal with things like trying to predict the mix of types of energy production of a country? Or the oil production of a country/region/world.</p>
<p>I find the current ones not so informative when trying guess what the future will actually be like. I have read detailed reports with different conclusions, but I have found nothing to synthesize the results. So I have to rely on my own judgement supplemented by news, which is very time consuming.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Finney</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/03/against-news.html#comment-406262</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal Finney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit to being a newspaper reader, in fact I read two printed papers daily, in addition to perusing another online. But I have to admit that most of it does not do me much good. It&#039;s largely a bad habit.

One thing I find valuable is getting a sense of the public pulse and current trends that may shape policy and commercial activities over the next few months. Right now there is an election going on in the U.S. and the papers give me an idea of how the contest is going, and what is likely to be the result. There is also something of an economic crisis in progress and it seems useful to glean what information is available about how bad things are going to get.

Today though there is a good alternative to news, the prediction markets on intrade.com. I follow the election markets there and I figure those are probably more accurate in terms of predicting the actual outcome, but the reasons for why one side or the other is moving ahead are not revealed. There is also a recession prediction market which is helpful. Hopefully in the future there will be more such prediction markets.

The paper is also useful in announcing upcoming local events that I might want to attend, although frustratingly it always devotes more press to an event after it happens than before.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit to being a newspaper reader, in fact I read two printed papers daily, in addition to perusing another online. But I have to admit that most of it does not do me much good. It&#8217;s largely a bad habit.</p>
<p>One thing I find valuable is getting a sense of the public pulse and current trends that may shape policy and commercial activities over the next few months. Right now there is an election going on in the U.S. and the papers give me an idea of how the contest is going, and what is likely to be the result. There is also something of an economic crisis in progress and it seems useful to glean what information is available about how bad things are going to get.</p>
<p>Today though there is a good alternative to news, the prediction markets on intrade.com. I follow the election markets there and I figure those are probably more accurate in terms of predicting the actual outcome, but the reasons for why one side or the other is moving ahead are not revealed. There is also a recession prediction market which is helpful. Hopefully in the future there will be more such prediction markets.</p>
<p>The paper is also useful in announcing upcoming local events that I might want to attend, although frustratingly it always devotes more press to an event after it happens than before.</p>
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