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	<title>Comments on: Dinos on the Moon</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Edmonds</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/dinos-on-the-mo.html#comment-694014</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Edmonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOOK AT THE NASA WEBSITE FOR THE APOLLO 17 MISSION GALLERY ARCHIVE PHOTO (as17-134-20384.jpg) A HI-RES IMAGE OF THE &quot;SALUTING&quot; ASTRONAUT IS WHAT YOU GET....MAGNIFY THE VISOR ONLY...DO A SIMPLE ADJUSTMENT TO CONTRAST AND BRIGHTNESS, AND THERE YOU ALL GO!!!!!! I HOPE I&#039;M NOT &quot;BUMPED OFF&quot; FOR THIS INFO! SEE YA!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOOK AT THE NASA WEBSITE FOR THE APOLLO 17 MISSION GALLERY ARCHIVE PHOTO (as17-134-20384.jpg) A HI-RES IMAGE OF THE &#8220;SALUTING&#8221; ASTRONAUT IS WHAT YOU GET&#8230;.MAGNIFY THE VISOR ONLY&#8230;DO A SIMPLE ADJUSTMENT TO CONTRAST AND BRIGHTNESS, AND THERE YOU ALL GO!!!!!! I HOPE I&#8217;M NOT &#8220;BUMPED OFF&#8221; FOR THIS INFO! SEE YA!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/dinos-on-the-mo.html#comment-508875</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, being as technologically advanced as these Stephen-Hawkingosaurs apparently were, they forsaw their impending doom by asteroid/comet and all went into hybernation, where they remain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, being as technologically advanced as these Stephen-Hawkingosaurs apparently were, they forsaw their impending doom by asteroid/comet and all went into hybernation, where they remain?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthroposaurus Sapiens &#171; Xenophilia (True Strange Stuff)</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/dinos-on-the-mo.html#comment-435024</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthroposaurus Sapiens &#171; Xenophilia (True Strange Stuff)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Macker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/dinos-on-the-mo.html#comment-408253</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While were speculating: Intelligent dinosaurs were much more intelligent than us, invented Bayesian bio-optical logic computers exhibiting even greater super intelligence using plant fibres, ants, and twigs.   Were able to predict their future demise and being control freaks decided to commit mass suicide instead.    Thus leaving no trace of their civilization before they ever hit the stage of mining.

Seems about a likely, given the evidence, as finding dino prints on the moon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While were speculating: Intelligent dinosaurs were much more intelligent than us, invented Bayesian bio-optical logic computers exhibiting even greater super intelligence using plant fibres, ants, and twigs.   Were able to predict their future demise and being control freaks decided to commit mass suicide instead.    Thus leaving no trace of their civilization before they ever hit the stage of mining.</p>
<p>Seems about a likely, given the evidence, as finding dino prints on the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/dinos-on-the-mo.html#comment-408252</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that the fossil record of the late Cretaceous shows a decline in species numbers, for quite a time before the K/T boundary. Dinosaur eggs have been found to be thinning during this period, probably due to environmental disturbance. Throughout the period before the K/T boundary there is strong climate change evidence, for both heating and cooling.

So we have a period, long before any asteroid impact, where species are being lost and climate change is increasing, over short time scales.

(ring any bells???)

Of course it&#039;s also a possibility that these changes were entirely natural. But the alternative scenario of an intelligent species making a mess of a planet is also possible...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that the fossil record of the late Cretaceous shows a decline in species numbers, for quite a time before the K/T boundary. Dinosaur eggs have been found to be thinning during this period, probably due to environmental disturbance. Throughout the period before the K/T boundary there is strong climate change evidence, for both heating and cooling.</p>
<p>So we have a period, long before any asteroid impact, where species are being lost and climate change is increasing, over short time scales.</p>
<p>(ring any bells???)</p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s also a possibility that these changes were entirely natural. But the alternative scenario of an intelligent species making a mess of a planet is also possible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Istros</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/dinos-on-the-mo.html#comment-408251</link>
		<dc:creator>Istros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other intelligent life form in the geological past? It may be, but where are the fossils? Perhaps we can think the fishes, or the insects. But a lot of species is nearly the same, than about 100 million or more years ago. For example: the sharks or the crocodiles. They could have evoluted some intelligent form. So where are the fossils? I know our world hasn&#039;t discovered corretly yet. We have to open theese doors, because our Universe is huge.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other intelligent life form in the geological past? It may be, but where are the fossils? Perhaps we can think the fishes, or the insects. But a lot of species is nearly the same, than about 100 million or more years ago. For example: the sharks or the crocodiles. They could have evoluted some intelligent form. So where are the fossils? I know our world hasn&#8217;t discovered corretly yet. We have to open theese doors, because our Universe is huge.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/dinos-on-the-mo.html#comment-408250</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is only human arrogance that assumes life as it is now works the same way as it did so long ago.  Perhaps they left for reasons that would not be obvious to human thought.  Perhaps they will return some day.  Perhaps they already have, and are watching you right now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is only human arrogance that assumes life as it is now works the same way as it did so long ago.  Perhaps they left for reasons that would not be obvious to human thought.  Perhaps they will return some day.  Perhaps they already have, and are watching you right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Paraskeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paraskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone asked the Flying Spaghetti Monster about this?  She&#039;d likely be able to tell us all the details.

One might also ask about the Devonian aquatic species that migrated to the Alpha Centauri system.  After all, there&#039;s equally as much evidence for that hypothesis as there is for dinosaurs on the moon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone asked the Flying Spaghetti Monster about this?  She&#8217;d likely be able to tell us all the details.</p>
<p>One might also ask about the Devonian aquatic species that migrated to the Alpha Centauri system.  After all, there&#8217;s equally as much evidence for that hypothesis as there is for dinosaurs on the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/dinos-on-the-mo.html#comment-408248</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy NL&#039;s theory. (the mobile part)

We&#039;ve transplanted a lot of species, but they haven&#039;t had time to reach equilibrium. I imagine that if we went extinct, they would change a lot before reaching equilibrium and it wouldn&#039;t be obvious that they&#039;d migrated, rather than evolving from local species. It certainly would look like something dramatic happened, though. Maybe enough information would be left to figure out what happened, but it might look like a typical die-off.

Also, it&#039;s not obvious to me that the transplanted species wouldn&#039;t simply die off and never touch the fossil record. It makes sense that islands are vulnerable to rabbits, but it doesn&#039;t make sense that kudzu is well-adapted to North America. Perhaps it&#039;s really adapted to suburbs, and if humans died off, it would too. This would make humans even more like a normal die-off.


&lt;em&gt;It would be very big and bad news&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, but don&#039;t over-do it. If a 100M year asteroid appeared in a 100ky interval, it would be a 1/1000 coincidence. Anthropic reasoning or the possibility that all asteroid strikes are artificial could push that number either way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy NL&#8217;s theory. (the mobile part)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve transplanted a lot of species, but they haven&#8217;t had time to reach equilibrium. I imagine that if we went extinct, they would change a lot before reaching equilibrium and it wouldn&#8217;t be obvious that they&#8217;d migrated, rather than evolving from local species. It certainly would look like something dramatic happened, though. Maybe enough information would be left to figure out what happened, but it might look like a typical die-off.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s not obvious to me that the transplanted species wouldn&#8217;t simply die off and never touch the fossil record. It makes sense that islands are vulnerable to rabbits, but it doesn&#8217;t make sense that kudzu is well-adapted to North America. Perhaps it&#8217;s really adapted to suburbs, and if humans died off, it would too. This would make humans even more like a normal die-off.</p>
<p><em>It would be very big and bad news</em></p>
<p>Yes, but don&#8217;t over-do it. If a 100M year asteroid appeared in a 100ky interval, it would be a 1/1000 coincidence. Anthropic reasoning or the possibility that all asteroid strikes are artificial could push that number either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Cryonics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overcoming Cryonics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of only looking for fossils we should also check if any dinosaurs cryonically froze themselves or uploaded their brains.  We should be careful about unleashing them, though, given that they are predators.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of only looking for fossils we should also check if any dinosaurs cryonically froze themselves or uploaded their brains.  We should be careful about unleashing them, though, given that they are predators.</p>
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