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	<title>Comments on: Contingent Truth Value</title>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408714</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does this have to do with whistle-blowers? Isn&#039;t that situation explicitly framed as a conflict of interests? Often principal-agent-subagent interests?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does this have to do with whistle-blowers? Isn&#8217;t that situation explicitly framed as a conflict of interests? Often principal-agent-subagent interests?</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitriy Kropivnitskiy</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408713</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitriy Kropivnitskiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, basically you chose a very wordy way of saying &quot;While bad news might upset you, they might also contain useful information&quot; :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, basically you chose a very wordy way of saying &#8220;While bad news might upset you, they might also contain useful information&#8221; <img src='http://www.overcomingbias.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408712</link>
		<dc:creator>LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; If your future is likely to be enjoyable, and if before then anticipating your great future gives you enough joy, then if you come across bad news suggesting otherwise you might enjoy your life more overall if you quickly look the other way and forget about it.&lt;/i&gt;

There are a couple of key phrases here:

-&#039;likely&#039; to be enjoyable -- what kind of probabilities are we looking for here? And, don&#039;t we have reason to believe that people are not so good at accurately assesing the probability of their favored outcome?

-&#039;enough&#039; joy -- how much joy is enough to outweigh any additional long-term happiness one might gain by changing course in the light of bad news? And, don&#039;t we have reason to believe that people are not good at weighing future joy vs. present joy?

So how does the math work here? If we don&#039;t know how probable someone&#039;s future joy is, and we don&#039;t know how much future joy can be gained from responding to bad news, and we can&#039;t accurately compare future joy with present joy, how does this calculation work? This is why most (by which I mean &#039;all&#039;) people develop truth rules to guide them: &#039;Always spare my wife&#039;s vanity when she asks if she looks fat&#039; is an example of a truth rule. These rules seem to be based on some form of collective calculation about the harms and benefits of certain kinds of &#039;bad news&#039;, but interestingly, people are mostly expected to abide by them (and be polite) whether or not their calculations lead to the same policy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> If your future is likely to be enjoyable, and if before then anticipating your great future gives you enough joy, then if you come across bad news suggesting otherwise you might enjoy your life more overall if you quickly look the other way and forget about it.</i></p>
<p>There are a couple of key phrases here:</p>
<p>-&#8217;likely&#8217; to be enjoyable &#8212; what kind of probabilities are we looking for here? And, don&#8217;t we have reason to believe that people are not so good at accurately assesing the probability of their favored outcome?</p>
<p>-&#8217;enough&#8217; joy &#8212; how much joy is enough to outweigh any additional long-term happiness one might gain by changing course in the light of bad news? And, don&#8217;t we have reason to believe that people are not good at weighing future joy vs. present joy?</p>
<p>So how does the math work here? If we don&#8217;t know how probable someone&#8217;s future joy is, and we don&#8217;t know how much future joy can be gained from responding to bad news, and we can&#8217;t accurately compare future joy with present joy, how does this calculation work? This is why most (by which I mean &#8216;all&#8217;) people develop truth rules to guide them: &#8216;Always spare my wife&#8217;s vanity when she asks if she looks fat&#8217; is an example of a truth rule. These rules seem to be based on some form of collective calculation about the harms and benefits of certain kinds of &#8216;bad news&#8217;, but interestingly, people are mostly expected to abide by them (and be polite) whether or not their calculations lead to the same policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Poulter</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408711</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Poulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reference. This is a topic that I looked into in my PhD. There&#039;s a standard economic result that information cannot have a negative expected utility, but clearly people can be information-averse, so there is an explanatory gap waiting to be bridged.

That said, your post doesn&#039;t seem to say much more than that if a man&#039;s wife asks him if that dress makes her look fat, and it does, he shouldn&#039;t say &quot;Yes&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reference. This is a topic that I looked into in my PhD. There&#8217;s a standard economic result that information cannot have a negative expected utility, but clearly people can be information-averse, so there is an explanatory gap waiting to be bridged.</p>
<p>That said, your post doesn&#8217;t seem to say much more than that if a man&#8217;s wife asks him if that dress makes her look fat, and it does, he shouldn&#8217;t say &#8220;Yes&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408710</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honesty demands that we admit truth-telling can hurt people, not that we refrain from truth-telling.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honesty demands that we admit truth-telling can hurt people, not that we refrain from truth-telling.</p>
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		<title>By: LG</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408709</link>
		<dc:creator>LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument is a little hedonistic for me, and it only deals with the effect of truth on an individual. I&#039;m supposed to keep my mouth shut because I&#039;m afraid of popping someone&#039;s bubbly facade of contentment? No greater purpose can be served by popping many of those bubbly facades? No critical mass of education can be reached, person by person, in order to effect change?

I don&#039;t buy it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument is a little hedonistic for me, and it only deals with the effect of truth on an individual. I&#8217;m supposed to keep my mouth shut because I&#8217;m afraid of popping someone&#8217;s bubbly facade of contentment? No greater purpose can be served by popping many of those bubbly facades? No critical mass of education can be reached, person by person, in order to effect change?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408708</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good and sufficient reason not to bother reading Robin&#039;s posts anymore.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good and sufficient reason not to bother reading Robin&#8217;s posts anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408707</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can I trust that you&#039;re being honest about this?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can I trust that you&#8217;re being honest about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Nominull</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/01/contingent-trut.html#comment-408706</link>
		<dc:creator>Nominull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happily, my values place truth above most other things, so I do not have to worry too much about this dilemma.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happily, my values place truth above most other things, so I do not have to worry too much about this dilemma.</p>
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