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		<title>By: Flu-Bird</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413058</link>
		<dc:creator>Flu-Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC is lying all about this EVOLUTION stuff i mean a few years ago they has a issue about the so call missiong link between dinosurs and birds which was later proven a fake and they showed HINCKLES fake embryos and showed what looked more like a shaved little oranatang and TIME tried to comapare humans and chimps but TIME has been guilty in the past of using lies and fruad as real news
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC is lying all about this EVOLUTION stuff i mean a few years ago they has a issue about the so call missiong link between dinosurs and birds which was later proven a fake and they showed HINCKLES fake embryos and showed what looked more like a shaved little oranatang and TIME tried to comapare humans and chimps but TIME has been guilty in the past of using lies and fruad as real news</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hunkins</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413057</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Hunkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; for a human to look to natural selection as inspiration on the art of design, is like a sophisticated modern bacterium trying to imitate the first awkward replicator&#039;s biochemistry ... &lt;/i&gt;

Indeed evolution is a weak, slow, dumb process, but the key point is that it has operated over a staggering time frame and thus is has in fact created an extraordinary number of design brilliancies, many of which exceed their technological counterparts.  Quick examples are low power flight and the human brain.   Although it&#039;s important to note that evolution operates using simple repetition of trial and error routines, moving away from failure and not towards success, I&#039;d hardly discard the insights from that process in favor of non-evolutionarily derived activities.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> for a human to look to natural selection as inspiration on the art of design, is like a sophisticated modern bacterium trying to imitate the first awkward replicator&#8217;s biochemistry &#8230; </i></p>
<p>Indeed evolution is a weak, slow, dumb process, but the key point is that it has operated over a staggering time frame and thus is has in fact created an extraordinary number of design brilliancies, many of which exceed their technological counterparts.  Quick examples are low power flight and the human brain.   Although it&#8217;s important to note that evolution operates using simple repetition of trial and error routines, moving away from failure and not towards success, I&#8217;d hardly discard the insights from that process in favor of non-evolutionarily derived activities.</p>
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		<title>By: helland</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413056</link>
		<dc:creator>helland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet evolution designed the brain?!?!!!
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413055</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cover the &lt;em&gt;Gene A / Gene B&lt;/em&gt; business in: &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://alife.co.uk/essays/species_unity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://alife.co.uk/essays/species_unity/&lt;/A&gt;

...and the &lt;em&gt;evolution is stupid&lt;/em&gt; business in: &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://alife.co.uk/essays/evolution_sees/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://alife.co.uk/essays/evolution_sees/&lt;/A&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cover the <em>Gene A / Gene B</em> business in: <a HREF="http://alife.co.uk/essays/species_unity/" rel="nofollow">http://alife.co.uk/essays/species_unity/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;and the <em>evolution is stupid</em> business in: <a HREF="http://alife.co.uk/essays/evolution_sees/" rel="nofollow">http://alife.co.uk/essays/evolution_sees/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413054</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, &quot;evolution&quot; is singular for good reason - the ever-deepening mutual symbiosis of the biosphere.  Species evolution simply does not take place in isolation.  Anyway, &quot;evolutions&quot; seems to me to serve little purpose - except for making biologists splutter indignantly.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, &#8220;evolution&#8221; is singular for good reason &#8211; the ever-deepening mutual symbiosis of the biosphere.  Species evolution simply does not take place in isolation.  Anyway, &#8220;evolutions&#8221; seems to me to serve little purpose &#8211; except for making biologists splutter indignantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Macker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413053</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on how you think about and define a 1% advantage.   You are using the biological definition, which is that having the gene gives you 1% more offspring on average.   If however my genes make me 1% faster than everyone else that is a 100% advantage in winning the race, which can lead to large advantage in reproductive success.   In this way a gene that generates a minor performance advantage can spread rather quickly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on how you think about and define a 1% advantage.   You are using the biological definition, which is that having the gene gives you 1% more offspring on average.   If however my genes make me 1% faster than everyone else that is a 100% advantage in winning the race, which can lead to large advantage in reproductive success.   In this way a gene that generates a minor performance advantage can spread rather quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413052</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Wonderful essay, but when you write, &quot;There&#039;s no Evolution Fairy who can watch the gene pool and say, &quot;Hm, that gene seems to be spreading rapidly - I should distribute it to everyone&quot;, aren&#039;t you leaving out the classic evolution fairy, Cupid?&lt;/i&gt;

What Eliezer is saying here is that biological adaptations cannot get fixed in a population by &quot;becoming common knowledge&quot; and being universally adopted, the way innovations in the business and engineering world spread. Even an artificial breeding program has to work within these constraints: there&#039;s a limit to how much reproductive skew you can supply.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Wonderful essay, but when you write, &#8220;There&#8217;s no Evolution Fairy who can watch the gene pool and say, &#8220;Hm, that gene seems to be spreading rapidly &#8211; I should distribute it to everyone&#8221;, aren&#8217;t you leaving out the classic evolution fairy, Cupid?</i></p>
<p>What Eliezer is saying here is that biological adaptations cannot get fixed in a population by &#8220;becoming common knowledge&#8221; and being universally adopted, the way innovations in the business and engineering world spread. Even an artificial breeding program has to work within these constraints: there&#8217;s a limit to how much reproductive skew you can supply.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Michael Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413051</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerard Michael Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful essay, but when you write, &quot;There&#039;s no Evolution Fairy who can watch the gene pool and say, &quot;Hm, that gene seems to be spreading rapidly - I should distribute it to everyone&quot;, aren&#039;t you leaving out the classic evolution fairy, Cupid?
Mate attractiveness is not usually random, and Cupid does seem to usually use some kind of fitness testing. I grant fully that a potential mate may not recognize the newly evolved trait as an advantage, but potential mates usually can perceive secondary indicators such as better health, higher group status, more active pursuit of mating, or a Mercedes.

Or am I missing something?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful essay, but when you write, &#8220;There&#8217;s no Evolution Fairy who can watch the gene pool and say, &#8220;Hm, that gene seems to be spreading rapidly &#8211; I should distribute it to everyone&#8221;, aren&#8217;t you leaving out the classic evolution fairy, Cupid?<br />
Mate attractiveness is not usually random, and Cupid does seem to usually use some kind of fitness testing. I grant fully that a potential mate may not recognize the newly evolved trait as an advantage, but potential mates usually can perceive secondary indicators such as better health, higher group status, more active pursuit of mating, or a Mercedes.</p>
<p>Or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie Bornheimer</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413050</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernie Bornheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...we only really began accumulating knowledge, around... what, four hundred years ago?&lt;/i&gt;

Surely longer than that...what am I missing?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;we only really began accumulating knowledge, around&#8230; what, four hundred years ago?</i></p>
<p>Surely longer than that&#8230;what am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Eliezer Yudkowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutions-are.html#comment-413049</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliezer Yudkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In your opinion, are they right about to what degree human intelligence is dominated by domain-specific modules, and that that&#039;s a consequence of combinatorial explosion and the frame problem?&lt;/i&gt;

They&#039;re certainly righter than the Standard Social Sciences Model they criticize, but swung the pendulum slightly too far in the new direction.  Human beings are capable of learning a tremendously wider range of nonancestral tasks than chimpanzees, and precisely due to the combinatorial explosion, this cannot be itself explained by postulating any amount of domain-specific modularity.  The brain is modular, and some of these modules are certainly domain-specific, but the key modularity is the orthagonalization of intelligence into architectural components like memory and category formation, not domain-specific procedures.  The heart is not a specialized organ for running down prey, it&#039;s a specialized organ for pumping blood.

In a sense, my paper &quot;Levels of Organization in General Intelligence&quot; can be seen as a reply to Tooby and Cosmides on this issue; though not, in retrospect, a complete one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In your opinion, are they right about to what degree human intelligence is dominated by domain-specific modules, and that that&#8217;s a consequence of combinatorial explosion and the frame problem?</i></p>
<p>They&#8217;re certainly righter than the Standard Social Sciences Model they criticize, but swung the pendulum slightly too far in the new direction.  Human beings are capable of learning a tremendously wider range of nonancestral tasks than chimpanzees, and precisely due to the combinatorial explosion, this cannot be itself explained by postulating any amount of domain-specific modularity.  The brain is modular, and some of these modules are certainly domain-specific, but the key modularity is the orthagonalization of intelligence into architectural components like memory and category formation, not domain-specific procedures.  The heart is not a specialized organ for running down prey, it&#8217;s a specialized organ for pumping blood.</p>
<p>In a sense, my paper &#8220;Levels of Organization in General Intelligence&#8221; can be seen as a reply to Tooby and Cosmides on this issue; though not, in retrospect, a complete one.</p>
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