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		<title>By: Decision markets are markets where speculators set prices that estimate the consequences of a decision. &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-431350</link>
		<dc:creator>Decision markets are markets where speculators set prices that estimate the consequences of a decision. &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of a decision.   Written by Chris F. Masse on November 19, 2007 &#8212; Leave a Comment     &#8230; writes Robin Hanson (who is into prediction markets since the late 80s, and who is the smartest scholar on this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of a decision.   Written by Chris F. Masse on November 19, 2007 &mdash; Leave a Comment     &#8230; writes Robin Hanson (who is into prediction markets since the late 80s, and who is the smartest scholar on this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Saintonge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Saintonge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could sorta kinda get to this today, by bundling futures or ETF&#039;s for a given country together with development projects. Some projects could be so useful (say, cleaning up commercial courts) that they could, in theory, be self-funding if bundled with, say, options on ETF&#039;s for that country.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could sorta kinda get to this today, by bundling futures or ETF&#8217;s for a given country together with development projects. Some projects could be so useful (say, cleaning up commercial courts) that they could, in theory, be self-funding if bundled with, say, options on ETF&#8217;s for that country.</p>
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		<title>By: Holden</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-412201</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, can I note put links here?

The first case for a microfinance project is the &quot;In defense of usury&quot; WSJ article, about a randomized study of a loan&#039;s effect on individuals.

http://research.yale.edu/karlan/deankarlan/downloads/WSJDefenseUsury.pdf

The second is a list of anecdotes from Opportunity International.

http://www.opportunity.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?pid=217&amp;srcid=193
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, can I note put links here?</p>
<p>The first case for a microfinance project is the &#8220;In defense of usury&#8221; WSJ article, about a randomized study of a loan&#8217;s effect on individuals.</p>
<p><a href="http://research.yale.edu/karlan/deankarlan/downloads/WSJDefenseUsury.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://research.yale.edu/karlan/deankarlan/downloads/WSJDefenseUsury.pdf</a></p>
<p>The second is a list of anecdotes from Opportunity International.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opportunity.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?pid=217&#038;srcid=193" rel="nofollow">http://www.opportunity.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?pid=217&#038;srcid=193</a></p>
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		<title>By: Holden</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-412200</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Any org that didn’t make project information readily available to traders would automatically make people question its usefulness. Orgs that engage in successful useful projects at reasonable costs will want everyone to know.&quot;

I am telling you that this is false.  Fundraising today is done either with emotional appeals with zero relation to facts, or with such liberal use of &quot;analysis&quot; as to exaggerate the returns on charity beyond what they could reasonably be.  That means there&#039;s no incentive to share an actual success, because if you give all the details, it will look like an abject failure next to the un-filled-in stories other orgs tell.  For a precise example of what I mean, see this report on microfinance &lt;http://research.yale.edu/karlan/deankarlan/downloads/WSJDefenseUsury.pdf&gt; vs. this one &lt;http://www.opportunity.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?pid=217&amp;srcid=193&gt;.  The former can&#039;t compete, in fundraising terms, with the latter.

&quot;Markets make decisions better than individuals&quot; is often true, but it is not a universal unconditional truth.  It depends on the things that often make it true being true, including: traders have access to enough information to form acceptably narrow bid-offer spreads (not currently true in charity), and traders have enough incentive to bet (not true when the return-*to-risk* ratio is unacceptably low, as it is when so little info is available and anyone with an acceptably narrow bid-ask spread is likely to be an insider).

We are trying to change these circumstances.  As I&#039;ve said, there already is a mechanism for betting on projects (donating), so the problem isn&#039;t there isn&#039;t a market, it&#039;s that the market&#039;s broken.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any org that didn’t make project information readily available to traders would automatically make people question its usefulness. Orgs that engage in successful useful projects at reasonable costs will want everyone to know.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am telling you that this is false.  Fundraising today is done either with emotional appeals with zero relation to facts, or with such liberal use of &#8220;analysis&#8221; as to exaggerate the returns on charity beyond what they could reasonably be.  That means there&#8217;s no incentive to share an actual success, because if you give all the details, it will look like an abject failure next to the un-filled-in stories other orgs tell.  For a precise example of what I mean, see this report on microfinance <http: //research.yale.edu/karlan/deankarlan/downloads/WSJDefenseUsury.pdf> vs. this one </http:><http: //www.opportunity.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?pid=217&#038;srcid=193>.  The former can&#8217;t compete, in fundraising terms, with the latter.</p>
<p>&#8220;Markets make decisions better than individuals&#8221; is often true, but it is not a universal unconditional truth.  It depends on the things that often make it true being true, including: traders have access to enough information to form acceptably narrow bid-offer spreads (not currently true in charity), and traders have enough incentive to bet (not true when the return-*to-risk* ratio is unacceptably low, as it is when so little info is available and anyone with an acceptably narrow bid-ask spread is likely to be an insider).</p>
<p>We are trying to change these circumstances.  As I&#8217;ve said, there already is a mechanism for betting on projects (donating), so the problem isn&#8217;t there isn&#8217;t a market, it&#8217;s that the market&#8217;s broken.</http:></p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-412199</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holden,

Any org that didn’t make project information readily available to traders would automatically make people question its usefulness.  Orgs that engage in successful useful projects at reasonable costs will want everyone to know.

This of course is currently the case, successful projects are publicized and unsuccessful ones are hushed up.  So as with companies and stocks people can base donations to charities on past performance.  This is where GiveWell is doing a great job.

But decision markets help ensure the success of future projects.  The market is much better than the individual at gathering and assessing information.

Robin’s examples (malaria nets and country loans) of were both for future projects.  As you know we don’t have unlimited resources so we have to decide which projects to support and markets make these decisions much better than individuals.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden,</p>
<p>Any org that didn’t make project information readily available to traders would automatically make people question its usefulness.  Orgs that engage in successful useful projects at reasonable costs will want everyone to know.</p>
<p>This of course is currently the case, successful projects are publicized and unsuccessful ones are hushed up.  So as with companies and stocks people can base donations to charities on past performance.  This is where GiveWell is doing a great job.</p>
<p>But decision markets help ensure the success of future projects.  The market is much better than the individual at gathering and assessing information.</p>
<p>Robin’s examples (malaria nets and country loans) of were both for future projects.  As you know we don’t have unlimited resources so we have to decide which projects to support and markets make these decisions much better than individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-412198</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holden, I meant to describe insiders who had enough info to, if they were honest with themselves, realize the project had little chance of much success.  Yes, of course, they usually aren&#039;t honest with themselves.  That is why it could be good to include traders who do have strong incentives to be honest with themselves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden, I meant to describe insiders who had enough info to, if they were honest with themselves, realize the project had little chance of much success.  Yes, of course, they usually aren&#8217;t honest with themselves.  That is why it could be good to include traders who do have strong incentives to be honest with themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Holden</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-412197</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How often do you think an insider privately &quot;knows the project will fail?&quot;  Dealing with people in this sector, one consistent pattern I&#039;ve observed is a faith in the value of the organization and its activities that borders on religious.  Of course, talking yourself into the value of what you&#039;re doing is common; what you&#039;re describing seems much less so.  What is the profile of someone who is involved with and close enough to a program to be able to see that it won&#039;t work, yet not influential enough to do something about it, and mercenary enough to continue with the organization because of their paycheck (generally below-market in this sector anyway) but disclose the information on the sly in the hopes of ripping off someone on a gambling exchange?  I don&#039;t think there are a lot of those floating around.

I don&#039;t think the problem is that people are promoting what they know are futile projects.  I think the problem is that people aren&#039;t evaluating and discussing the projects critically enough.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How often do you think an insider privately &#8220;knows the project will fail?&#8221;  Dealing with people in this sector, one consistent pattern I&#8217;ve observed is a faith in the value of the organization and its activities that borders on religious.  Of course, talking yourself into the value of what you&#8217;re doing is common; what you&#8217;re describing seems much less so.  What is the profile of someone who is involved with and close enough to a program to be able to see that it won&#8217;t work, yet not influential enough to do something about it, and mercenary enough to continue with the organization because of their paycheck (generally below-market in this sector anyway) but disclose the information on the sly in the hopes of ripping off someone on a gambling exchange?  I don&#8217;t think there are a lot of those floating around.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the problem is that people are promoting what they know are futile projects.  I think the problem is that people aren&#8217;t evaluating and discussing the projects critically enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-412196</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holden, I certainly don&#039;t oppose getting these orgs to officially reveal more about their projects.  But imagine an org that privately knew its projects had little chance of success, and whose donors who were giving the org the benefit of the doubt.  If  outsiders could discern this problem even without extra access to insider info, markets could publicize this failure and embarrass the org in a way donors would find it harder to ignore.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden, I certainly don&#8217;t oppose getting these orgs to officially reveal more about their projects.  But imagine an org that privately knew its projects had little chance of success, and whose donors who were giving the org the benefit of the doubt.  If  outsiders could discern this problem even without extra access to insider info, markets could publicize this failure and embarrass the org in a way donors would find it harder to ignore.</p>
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		<title>By: Holden</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-412195</link>
		<dc:creator>Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John and Douglas - great to hear that you guys are interested in GiveWell.  One of the big questions about our project is who&#039;s out there who would use it, and how we can serve them better.  So please take a good look, fill out our survey if you get a chance, and email me with any comments.

Robin - yes, humans can bet no matter what information they have.  But having less information leads to wider markets and less potential for value-added over the project funder.  When we&#039;re talking about betting on the mortality rate across an entire country 3 years from now, that&#039;s a low-ratio bet even when the expected value is high.  Nobody disagrees with your conceptual point, the question is where the priority should be, and I think it needs to be on getting information to people who already want to use it rather than paying people to bet on information they have very little of.

As for subsidizing insiders to trade on what they know, I oppose this idea outright, because I&#039;d rather pressure funders to reveal their *actual information*, and let others get in on helping to interpret it, than incent them specifically to continue hiding it so they can try to take advantage of gamblers.  Which do you think is more valuable to a group of intelligent, analytical individuals: the foundation&#039;s numerical prediction re: mortality rates, or the information that goes into it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John and Douglas &#8211; great to hear that you guys are interested in GiveWell.  One of the big questions about our project is who&#8217;s out there who would use it, and how we can serve them better.  So please take a good look, fill out our survey if you get a chance, and email me with any comments.</p>
<p>Robin &#8211; yes, humans can bet no matter what information they have.  But having less information leads to wider markets and less potential for value-added over the project funder.  When we&#8217;re talking about betting on the mortality rate across an entire country 3 years from now, that&#8217;s a low-ratio bet even when the expected value is high.  Nobody disagrees with your conceptual point, the question is where the priority should be, and I think it needs to be on getting information to people who already want to use it rather than paying people to bet on information they have very little of.</p>
<p>As for subsidizing insiders to trade on what they know, I oppose this idea outright, because I&#8217;d rather pressure funders to reveal their *actual information*, and let others get in on helping to interpret it, than incent them specifically to continue hiding it so they can try to take advantage of gamblers.  Which do you think is more valuable to a group of intelligent, analytical individuals: the foundation&#8217;s numerical prediction re: mortality rates, or the information that goes into it?</p>
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		<title>By: douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/development-fut.html#comment-412194</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holden-- My wife and I give to charities.  While what Robin is talking about maybe of interest to some, what you are doing would be much more valuable to me.
Keep up the good work!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden&#8211; My wife and I give to charities.  While what Robin is talking about maybe of interest to some, what you are doing would be much more valuable to me.<br />
Keep up the good work!</p>
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