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		<title>By: Something rotten in Mississippi &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/what-evidence-b.html#comment-430469</link>
		<dc:creator>Something rotten in Mississippi &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] and grandmothers like Kathryn Johnston. Nothing to do with enforcing the law, it just fulfills the politicians syllogism and gets votes (a good example of such a &#8220;tough on crime&#8221; politician who doesn&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/what-evidence-b.html#comment-414516</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was just trying to point out that all responses to a given situation are not equally plausible, and the predominance of one over the other isn&#039;t necessarily a result of bias. In this situation, the two most likely responses are increased regulation, or to do nothing at all and let the market sort it out. To loosen the rules after such a major fiasco just seems peculiar.&lt;/i&gt;
Why does it seem peculiar? Couldn&#039;t it be the case that regulation caused a major fiasco? Robin also asked why we do not see calls to get rid of regulation in good times, because it is possible that while it does not cause major fiascos regulations simply put a damper on things. The only explanation that would be consistent with calls for regulations in bad times and no calls for less regulation during any times would be that regulation is always a good thing, in which it might actually seem sensible to call for regulation in good times as well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I was just trying to point out that all responses to a given situation are not equally plausible, and the predominance of one over the other isn&#8217;t necessarily a result of bias. In this situation, the two most likely responses are increased regulation, or to do nothing at all and let the market sort it out. To loosen the rules after such a major fiasco just seems peculiar.</i><br />
Why does it seem peculiar? Couldn&#8217;t it be the case that regulation caused a major fiasco? Robin also asked why we do not see calls to get rid of regulation in good times, because it is possible that while it does not cause major fiascos regulations simply put a damper on things. The only explanation that would be consistent with calls for regulations in bad times and no calls for less regulation during any times would be that regulation is always a good thing, in which it might actually seem sensible to call for regulation in good times as well.</p>
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		<title>By: cw</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/what-evidence-b.html#comment-414515</link>
		<dc:creator>cw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TGGP, Thanks for the link.  I hadn&#039;t read that argument before.  If you accept the idea that political pressure to extend more mortgages to minorities was at the root of the housing bubble, then I suppose it would be reasonable to limit such interference in the future.  But I think that explanation is pretty weak; it doesn&#039;t explain why brokers were pushing subprime mortgages to people who actually qualified for better terms, for example.  Also, watching the mortgage market over the past few years, it didn&#039;t seem that lenders were unwilling participants in the lending spree.  They were actively seeking out every new customer they could find, trying to maximize profits in a hot market. Given those conditions, I would prefer to see some additional oversight of the industry.

I admit that the boat analogy was pretty strained; I was just trying to point out that all responses to a given situation are not equally plausible, and the predominance of one over the other isn&#039;t necessarily a result of bias.  In this situation, the two most likely responses are increased regulation, or to do nothing at all and let the market sort it out.  To loosen the rules after such a major fiasco just seems peculiar.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TGGP, Thanks for the link.  I hadn&#8217;t read that argument before.  If you accept the idea that political pressure to extend more mortgages to minorities was at the root of the housing bubble, then I suppose it would be reasonable to limit such interference in the future.  But I think that explanation is pretty weak; it doesn&#8217;t explain why brokers were pushing subprime mortgages to people who actually qualified for better terms, for example.  Also, watching the mortgage market over the past few years, it didn&#8217;t seem that lenders were unwilling participants in the lending spree.  They were actively seeking out every new customer they could find, trying to maximize profits in a hot market. Given those conditions, I would prefer to see some additional oversight of the industry.</p>
<p>I admit that the boat analogy was pretty strained; I was just trying to point out that all responses to a given situation are not equally plausible, and the predominance of one over the other isn&#8217;t necessarily a result of bias.  In this situation, the two most likely responses are increased regulation, or to do nothing at all and let the market sort it out.  To loosen the rules after such a major fiasco just seems peculiar.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/what-evidence-b.html#comment-414514</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cw, a boat leak is a sudden change of state requiring an immediate fix.  Most regulations are not said to respond to a recent change of state, but to a long standing state that has been newly illuminated.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cw, a boat leak is a sudden change of state requiring an immediate fix.  Most regulations are not said to respond to a recent change of state, but to a long standing state that has been newly illuminated.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/what-evidence-b.html#comment-414513</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/08/trillion-here-trillion-there-pretty.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; someone arguing that previous regulation in the credit market pushed for lending toward risky borrowers that were previously said to be discriminated against by banks.

Comparing a regulation to a patch on a boat seems like a rather poor analogy to me. Regulations are rules governing behavior, which do not resemble what we know of material physics that well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/08/trillion-here-trillion-there-pretty.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s</a> someone arguing that previous regulation in the credit market pushed for lending toward risky borrowers that were previously said to be discriminated against by banks.</p>
<p>Comparing a regulation to a patch on a boat seems like a rather poor analogy to me. Regulations are rules governing behavior, which do not resemble what we know of material physics that well.</p>
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		<title>By: cw</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/what-evidence-b.html#comment-414512</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a question of bias, but a response to the situation based on first principles.  In America, most people tend to support the idea of a free market, which works well most of the time.  But when something goes awry, such as when subprime lenders start pushing reckless loans on a massive scale, it is reasonable to ask whether the free market has worked well in this particular instance, or whether some boundaries should be established to prevent that type of failure from occurring again.  In other words, regulations are only put in place when there is a perceived need for those regulations.  Increased regulation is the proposed solution to a specific problem.  It may not be the correct solution, or an effective solution, but it is a logical, defensible response.

Recommending looser regulations in this circumstance would only make sense if one believed that overly burdensome regulations had somehow caused lenders to push bad loans on people who couldn&#039;t afford them and didn&#039;t understand them, and that the bond rating agencies were subjecting mortgage backed equities to too much scrutiny before slapping them with AAA ratings.  It would be hard to make that case.

Your question about bias seems to suggest that both responses, tightening regulations and loosening regulations, are both equally plausible responses to a financial crisis, and that the tendency toward tightening regulations is somehow irrational.  But before taking any action, a rational person should have some working model that explains why that action is appropriate.  Increased regulation may not be the right answer here, but I would be stunned if decreased regulation somehow reduced predatory lending.

A quick example might help:  If your boat springs a leak, a plausible response is to patch the hole, then bail out the water.  It wouldn&#039;t make much sense to start drilling additional holes in the hull, hoping that would somehow keep the boat afloat.  Similarly, after you&#039;ve patched the hole, a rational response would be to do nothing at all, unless another crisis emerges.  Faced with a sound hull and no leaks, you wouldn&#039;t start removing the plugs to see if the boat remained afloat.  The patches were applied for a reason, and should be left there unless there is a compelling reason to remove them.

I think that explains the tendency toward increased regulations. The rules are intended to patch specific leaks while preserving as much free market exchange as possible.  Sometimes the market and technology change enough that the regulations no longer serve their intended purpose, and should be removed.  But removing regulations willy nilly, just because things are going well, would be an irrational action opening up the possibility of the same abuses that prompted the restrictions in the first place.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a question of bias, but a response to the situation based on first principles.  In America, most people tend to support the idea of a free market, which works well most of the time.  But when something goes awry, such as when subprime lenders start pushing reckless loans on a massive scale, it is reasonable to ask whether the free market has worked well in this particular instance, or whether some boundaries should be established to prevent that type of failure from occurring again.  In other words, regulations are only put in place when there is a perceived need for those regulations.  Increased regulation is the proposed solution to a specific problem.  It may not be the correct solution, or an effective solution, but it is a logical, defensible response.</p>
<p>Recommending looser regulations in this circumstance would only make sense if one believed that overly burdensome regulations had somehow caused lenders to push bad loans on people who couldn&#8217;t afford them and didn&#8217;t understand them, and that the bond rating agencies were subjecting mortgage backed equities to too much scrutiny before slapping them with AAA ratings.  It would be hard to make that case.</p>
<p>Your question about bias seems to suggest that both responses, tightening regulations and loosening regulations, are both equally plausible responses to a financial crisis, and that the tendency toward tightening regulations is somehow irrational.  But before taking any action, a rational person should have some working model that explains why that action is appropriate.  Increased regulation may not be the right answer here, but I would be stunned if decreased regulation somehow reduced predatory lending.</p>
<p>A quick example might help:  If your boat springs a leak, a plausible response is to patch the hole, then bail out the water.  It wouldn&#8217;t make much sense to start drilling additional holes in the hull, hoping that would somehow keep the boat afloat.  Similarly, after you&#8217;ve patched the hole, a rational response would be to do nothing at all, unless another crisis emerges.  Faced with a sound hull and no leaks, you wouldn&#8217;t start removing the plugs to see if the boat remained afloat.  The patches were applied for a reason, and should be left there unless there is a compelling reason to remove them.</p>
<p>I think that explains the tendency toward increased regulations. The rules are intended to patch specific leaks while preserving as much free market exchange as possible.  Sometimes the market and technology change enough that the regulations no longer serve their intended purpose, and should be removed.  But removing regulations willy nilly, just because things are going well, would be an irrational action opening up the possibility of the same abuses that prompted the restrictions in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/what-evidence-b.html#comment-414511</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g, thanks for the correction, I shall call it that from now on.

Jonathan, it seems you give reasons, but not rational reasons, for so believing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g, thanks for the correction, I shall call it that from now on.</p>
<p>Jonathan, it seems you give reasons, but not rational reasons, for so believing.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The terms &quot;bad&quot; and &quot;good&quot; are ambiguous.

Plausibly, it&#039;s sensible to have more regulation when times are &quot;bad&quot; (= unpleasant and difficult) and sensible to leave things alone when times are &quot;good&quot; (= approximately optimal, as far as changes we can make are concerned). But those aren&#039;t opposites, and perhaps in times that are &quot;good&quot; (= pleasant and easy) but &quot;bad&quot; (= suboptimal) it would often be appropriate to reduce regulation.

(&quot;Plausibly&quot; doesn&#039;t mean &quot;obviously&quot;, though, and actually it&#039;s not obvious to me that difficult times call for more regulation -- it depends on the nature of the difficulty --; or that optimal times call for keeping things as they are -- there might be predictable changes coming.)

And there&#039;s another possible explanation if people call for more regulation in response to good news but not less regulation in response to bad news: there might just not be enough regulation. In this case there&#039;d still be a bias at work, but not quite the one Robin&#039;s framing suggests; and the &quot;ratchet&quot; at work might be not a unidirectional one, but one that ratchets up (conditional on bad news) in times of general underregulation, and ratchets down (conditional on something-or-other) in times of general overregulation.

Incidentally, &quot;Caplan&#039;s fallacy&quot; dates back, in exactly the wording given here, at least to the BBC television series &quot;Yes Minister&quot; in the early 1980s, where it was called &quot;the Politician&#039;s Syllogism&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The terms &#8220;bad&#8221; and &#8220;good&#8221; are ambiguous.</p>
<p>Plausibly, it&#8217;s sensible to have more regulation when times are &#8220;bad&#8221; (= unpleasant and difficult) and sensible to leave things alone when times are &#8220;good&#8221; (= approximately optimal, as far as changes we can make are concerned). But those aren&#8217;t opposites, and perhaps in times that are &#8220;good&#8221; (= pleasant and easy) but &#8220;bad&#8221; (= suboptimal) it would often be appropriate to reduce regulation.</p>
<p>(&#8221;Plausibly&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;obviously&#8221;, though, and actually it&#8217;s not obvious to me that difficult times call for more regulation &#8212; it depends on the nature of the difficulty &#8211;; or that optimal times call for keeping things as they are &#8212; there might be predictable changes coming.)</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s another possible explanation if people call for more regulation in response to good news but not less regulation in response to bad news: there might just not be enough regulation. In this case there&#8217;d still be a bias at work, but not quite the one Robin&#8217;s framing suggests; and the &#8220;ratchet&#8221; at work might be not a unidirectional one, but one that ratchets up (conditional on bad news) in times of general underregulation, and ratchets down (conditional on something-or-other) in times of general overregulation.</p>
<p>Incidentally, &#8220;Caplan&#8217;s fallacy&#8221; dates back, in exactly the wording given here, at least to the BBC television series &#8220;Yes Minister&#8221; in the early 1980s, where it was called &#8220;the Politician&#8217;s Syllogism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That someone believes bad times indicate the need for more regulation does not require they believe good times indicate the need for less regulation.  The good outcomes can be believed to be flukes.  Or they can ignore the cost of regulators, i.e., regulators reduce bad outcomes but don&#039;t impair good outcomes.

If you believe regulators can foresee things and therefore prevent bad outcomes or ensure good ones, then the ideal number of regulators is very large: every decision can be made better (although presumably diminishingly so) by the use of more regulation.

Since many people are uncomfortable with real freedom, it&#039;s not surprising they support ever escalating regulation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That someone believes bad times indicate the need for more regulation does not require they believe good times indicate the need for less regulation.  The good outcomes can be believed to be flukes.  Or they can ignore the cost of regulators, i.e., regulators reduce bad outcomes but don&#8217;t impair good outcomes.</p>
<p>If you believe regulators can foresee things and therefore prevent bad outcomes or ensure good ones, then the ideal number of regulators is very large: every decision can be made better (although presumably diminishingly so) by the use of more regulation.</p>
<p>Since many people are uncomfortable with real freedom, it&#8217;s not surprising they support ever escalating regulation.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/10/what-evidence-b.html#comment-414508</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan Caplan discussed the attitude people have toward regulation in reaction to bad news &lt;a href=&quot;http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2007/07/how_the_rationa.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and attributes it to irrationality.

The &quot;regulation ratchet&quot; may not be in any way different from the normal &quot;ratchet effect&quot; discussed by Robert Higgs in &quot;Crisis &amp; Leviathan&quot; (which it would be interesting to see Naomi Klein review).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan Caplan discussed the attitude people have toward regulation in reaction to bad news <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2007/07/how_the_rationa.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and attributes it to irrationality.</p>
<p>The &#8220;regulation ratchet&#8221; may not be in any way different from the normal &#8220;ratchet effect&#8221; discussed by Robert Higgs in &#8220;Crisis &#038; Leviathan&#8221; (which it would be interesting to see Naomi Klein review).</p>
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