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		<title>By: Hopefully Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428694</link>
		<dc:creator>Hopefully Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just read your replies and I don&#039;t think you were censored. Also, you could probably repost the deleted comment in the Open Thread here at overcoming bias without it being &quot;censored&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think your contrasting between &quot;judeo/christian&quot; vs. &quot;lassiez faire/darwinian/nazi&quot; economic public policy is unhelpful for enlightenment or for best policy formation. But I do think you&#039;re being baited into that framework by folks like Caplan -so I think it&#039;s an emergent problem from what I called the &quot;polarization bias dance party&quot; between Left/Right types. Both groups seem to be satisfying mutual psychological needs by reducing policy discussion to these two polarized points, but I think it&#039;s far from optimal in terms of actually determining best policy (to maximize my (or our) persistence odds).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read your replies and I don&#8217;t think you were censored. Also, you could probably repost the deleted comment in the Open Thread here at overcoming bias without it being &#8220;censored&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think your contrasting between &#8220;judeo/christian&#8221; vs. &#8220;lassiez faire/darwinian/nazi&#8221; economic public policy is unhelpful for enlightenment or for best policy formation. But I do think you&#8217;re being baited into that framework by folks like Caplan -so I think it&#8217;s an emergent problem from what I called the &#8220;polarization bias dance party&#8221; between Left/Right types. Both groups seem to be satisfying mutual psychological needs by reducing policy discussion to these two polarized points, but I think it&#8217;s far from optimal in terms of actually determining best policy (to maximize my (or our) persistence odds).</p>
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		<title>By: mnuez</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428693</link>
		<dc:creator>mnuez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Summary: I responded to the comments made by Hopefully Anonymous, TGGP and Jim Outen.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Body: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mnuez.blogspot.com/2007/07/conversation-continues.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Available here&lt;br&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Conclusion: The opinions I expresssed were censored. Allowing a link to elsewhere is in no way the equivalent of not deleting the possibly offending comments from the very conversation where they are relevant.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summary: I responded to the comments made by Hopefully Anonymous, TGGP and Jim Outen.</p>
<p>Body: <a href="http://mnuez.blogspot.com/2007/07/conversation-continues.html" rel="nofollow">Available here<br /></a>.</p>
<p>Conclusion: The opinions I expresssed were censored. Allowing a link to elsewhere is in no way the equivalent of not deleting the possibly offending comments from the very conversation where they are relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Hopefully Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428692</link>
		<dc:creator>Hopefully Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mnuez,&lt;br&gt;
Just post a summarized version here with a link to the longer version on your blog.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mnuez,<br />
Just post a summarized version here with a link to the longer version on your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: mnuez</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428691</link>
		<dc:creator>mnuez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CORRECTION: Your email was indeed sent and received as you said. For mysterious reasons Gmail had spammed it (dunno why).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course the rest of my comment stands. My clear and detailed response to three comments (made on a previous comment of mine) was not in any way &quot;an arbitrarily long comment&quot; and appears to have been excised lest it offend - something that would appear to fly in the face of what the principles of Overcoming Bias claim to be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;mnuez&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION: Your email was indeed sent and received as you said. For mysterious reasons Gmail had spammed it (dunno why).</p>
<p>Of course the rest of my comment stands. My clear and detailed response to three comments (made on a previous comment of mine) was not in any way &#8220;an arbitrarily long comment&#8221; and appears to have been excised lest it offend &#8211; something that would appear to fly in the face of what the principles of Overcoming Bias claim to be.</p>
<p>mnuez</p>
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		<title>By: mnuez</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428690</link>
		<dc:creator>mnuez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Robin, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First of all I should note that I enjoy your posts and that this is not my first visit to Overcoming Bias and that I&#039;ve also noted that I enjoy this blog on my own blog.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lest you think that I&#039;m saying this in order to flatter you I&#039;ll continue with the following   :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Aside from the fact that I never received any email from you, I should also note that an explanation for censorship of ideas in the form of letting me know that you don&#039;t allow &quot;arbitrarily long comments&quot; is quite silly. I&#039;m not entirely certain as to what an &quot;arbitrarily&quot; long comment would be but I&#039;d find it hard to imagine that it would be a detailed response that speaks directly to comments made in response to an earlier comment of my own.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps I&#039;m crazy but it would appear to me that the more true reason for the wholesale deletion of my comment would be the more impolitic explanation to the effect that it might offend some people. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And if that isn&#039;t bias NON-overcome I&#039;m not sure what is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, </p>
<p>First of all I should note that I enjoy your posts and that this is not my first visit to Overcoming Bias and that I&#8217;ve also noted that I enjoy this blog on my own blog.</p>
<p>Lest you think that I&#8217;m saying this in order to flatter you I&#8217;ll continue with the following   <img src='http://www.overcomingbias.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>
Aside from the fact that I never received any email from you, I should also note that an explanation for censorship of ideas in the form of letting me know that you don&#8217;t allow &#8220;arbitrarily long comments&#8221; is quite silly. I&#8217;m not entirely certain as to what an &#8220;arbitrarily&#8221; long comment would be but I&#8217;d find it hard to imagine that it would be a detailed response that speaks directly to comments made in response to an earlier comment of my own.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m crazy but it would appear to me that the more true reason for the wholesale deletion of my comment would be the more impolitic explanation to the effect that it might offend some people. </p>
<p>And if that isn&#8217;t bias NON-overcome I&#8217;m not sure what is.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428689</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mnuez, we don&#039;t allow arbitrarily long comments here. I sent you an email explaining that your 1000 word comment was way too long, noting that you had a previous comment (still up) on this post that was also too long, and inviting you to put a comment here with a link to your longer comment.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mnuez, we don&#8217;t allow arbitrarily long comments here. I sent you an email explaining that your 1000 word comment was way too long, noting that you had a previous comment (still up) on this post that was also too long, and inviting you to put a comment here with a link to your longer comment.  </p>
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		<title>By: mnuez</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428688</link>
		<dc:creator>mnuez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It just seems so unlikely. Would a blog that calls itself &quot;overcoming bias&quot; engage in censorship? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I blame typepad. Until an experiment has been replicated Occam&#039;s Razor would demand that we assume that a blog called Overcoming Bias would never delete non-spam comments. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll attempt to replicate that experiment now with a re-post.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;mnuez&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;
P.S. In the unlikely event that my recent comment was purposely deleted and that the subsequent one will be deleted as well but that for some reason THIS comment will remain, I direct anyone interested in reading the deleted comment to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mnuez.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt; where it&#039;s been &lt;a href=&quot;http://mnuez.blogspot.com/2007/07/conversation-continues.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reprinted&lt;/a&gt;. But again, deleting comments does not quite seem to be in accordance with the supposed intellectually honest values of this blog so I&#039;ll have to assume that never took place.    ~  m&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just seems so unlikely. Would a blog that calls itself &#8220;overcoming bias&#8221; engage in censorship? </p>
<p>I blame typepad. Until an experiment has been replicated Occam&#8217;s Razor would demand that we assume that a blog called Overcoming Bias would never delete non-spam comments. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll attempt to replicate that experiment now with a re-post.</p>
<p>mnuez</p>
<p>
P.S. In the unlikely event that my recent comment was purposely deleted and that the subsequent one will be deleted as well but that for some reason THIS comment will remain, I direct anyone interested in reading the deleted comment to <a href="http://www.mnuez.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">my blog</a> where it&#8217;s been <a href="http://mnuez.blogspot.com/2007/07/conversation-continues.html" rel="nofollow">reprinted</a>. But again, deleting comments does not quite seem to be in accordance with the supposed intellectually honest values of this blog so I&#8217;ll have to assume that never took place.    ~  m</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Outen</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428687</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Outen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mnuez,&lt;br&gt;
You embarrass yourself with this comment: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;[Economists]have full and complete faith in the ability of the individual human being to engage in his most responsible, self-benefiting behavior when he engages in the market (despite the few measley trillions of dollars spent in psychological/marketing studies designed to fool people into spending money in ways that do not serve their best self-interests) yet they have zero trust in the same small human unit when it comes to his knowing how to vote his self-interests.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Read Caplan&#039;s book or related articles, as he addresses this issue thoroughly. He details how voters do not vote to maximize their financial self-interest, and instead entertain various fantasies and delusions. If I recall, he calls this the &quot;near-neoclassical&quot; demand curve, and claims that voting mechanism makes the expected value of a vote for your self-interest very low (the converse being that the price of irrational beliefs is low, thus we happily indulge in them).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Reading before ranting is generally a superior strategy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mnuez,<br />
You embarrass yourself with this comment: </p>
<p>&#8220;[Economists]have full and complete faith in the ability of the individual human being to engage in his most responsible, self-benefiting behavior when he engages in the market (despite the few measley trillions of dollars spent in psychological/marketing studies designed to fool people into spending money in ways that do not serve their best self-interests) yet they have zero trust in the same small human unit when it comes to his knowing how to vote his self-interests.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read Caplan&#8217;s book or related articles, as he addresses this issue thoroughly. He details how voters do not vote to maximize their financial self-interest, and instead entertain various fantasies and delusions. If I recall, he calls this the &#8220;near-neoclassical&#8221; demand curve, and claims that voting mechanism makes the expected value of a vote for your self-interest very low (the converse being that the price of irrational beliefs is low, thus we happily indulge in them).</p>
<p>Reading before ranting is generally a superior strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428686</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mnuez, Rand was not an economist. There is no &quot;Randian economics&quot; (that&#039;s philosophy/literature), nor &quot;Darwinian&quot; (biology) or &quot;Judeo-Christian&quot; (religion). Caplan seems to like Rand&#039;s writings (he compares her to Victor Hugo), but is not an Objectivist. In his &quot;Why I Am Not an Austrian&quot; essay he refer&#039;s to Huemer&#039;s &quot;Why I Am Not an Objectivist&quot; as representing his views since graduate school. Furthermore, he does not necessarily attack &quot;left-leaning economics&quot;, if that includes economists who would consider themselves to the left of the center. He says that on average economists are more accurate than the general public AND (this is important) the average economist is left of center! Anti-foreign bias, in particular, is not at all a stranger to the political right. I myself (I&#039;m a paleolibertarian and I despise both the representative left and right in this country, though I occasionally find myself in agreement with both anarcho-socialists and monarchists!) strongly disagree with his position on immigration, which he would attribute to that bias.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you would like to show that your disagreement with Caplan is on rational grounds, you could use the arguments that are numbered 1 through 7 above, or come up with some new ones. Referring to Caplan as an &quot;asshole&quot; (even if he is one, I personally do not know but presumably Robin does) is not likely to be an effective tactic and on the contrary would likely distract people from the points you are trying to make.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mnuez, Rand was not an economist. There is no &#8220;Randian economics&#8221; (that&#8217;s philosophy/literature), nor &#8220;Darwinian&#8221; (biology) or &#8220;Judeo-Christian&#8221; (religion). Caplan seems to like Rand&#8217;s writings (he compares her to Victor Hugo), but is not an Objectivist. In his &#8220;Why I Am Not an Austrian&#8221; essay he refer&#8217;s to Huemer&#8217;s &#8220;Why I Am Not an Objectivist&#8221; as representing his views since graduate school. Furthermore, he does not necessarily attack &#8220;left-leaning economics&#8221;, if that includes economists who would consider themselves to the left of the center. He says that on average economists are more accurate than the general public AND (this is important) the average economist is left of center! Anti-foreign bias, in particular, is not at all a stranger to the political right. I myself (I&#8217;m a paleolibertarian and I despise both the representative left and right in this country, though I occasionally find myself in agreement with both anarcho-socialists and monarchists!) strongly disagree with his position on immigration, which he would attribute to that bias.</p>
<p>If you would like to show that your disagreement with Caplan is on rational grounds, you could use the arguments that are numbered 1 through 7 above, or come up with some new ones. Referring to Caplan as an &#8220;asshole&#8221; (even if he is one, I personally do not know but presumably Robin does) is not likely to be an effective tactic and on the contrary would likely distract people from the points you are trying to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Hopefully Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/reviewing-capla.html#comment-428685</link>
		<dc:creator>Hopefully Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mnuez, I still think you&#039;re over-feeding off of polarization bias. I think it might be more fruitful to sidestep a whole left-right approach to Caplan and to focus on what policies (economic and otherwise) actually seem best to achieve particular goals (such as one I&#039;d suggest, to maximize your and my mutual odds of persistence).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mnuez, I still think you&#8217;re over-feeding off of polarization bias. I think it might be more fruitful to sidestep a whole left-right approach to Caplan and to focus on what policies (economic and otherwise) actually seem best to achieve particular goals (such as one I&#8217;d suggest, to maximize your and my mutual odds of persistence).</p>
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