Comments on: Policy Tug-O-War

By: Jeremy McKibben

Jeremy McKibben — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:23:16 +0000

The response to the proposed height tax is a really good example of people getting confused when they can’t determine which side someone is pulling for. However, Mankiw’s paper seemed to fall squarely within the two dimensional regressive-progressive taxes debate (although he wouldn’t say so directly in the paper).

By: Alan Gunn

Alan Gunn — Wed, 23 May 2007 21:05:13 +0000

I have long thought that people (other than actual politicians) whose work deals with policy matters, like academics and judges, ought not to belong to political parties. This is partly because party membership seems to put pressure on people to follow their party’s current line, which in turn directs their efforts toward cobbling up defenses for that line instead of dealing with the merits. I know people who were avid free-traders when Al Gore was debating Ross Perot, but who now claim to fear low-wage Chinese workers. Now I have another reason for thinking academics ought to be independents: they’d probably be more likely to “pull ropes sideways?”

By: Stuart Armstrong

Stuart Armstrong — Wed, 23 May 2007 20:29:01 +0000

Stuart, why aren’t sideways changes “genuine” improvements?

My phrasing wasn’t clear: I definitely see sideways changes as genuine improvements (and I find this idea very motivating, thanks for the post).

I was just hoping that as a result of those sideways changes, when the big coalitions rearrange themselves for yet another linear tug of war after their old one grows stale, they might choose more sensible positions to pull from. An added bonus for the sideways tugers.

By: eddie

eddie — Wed, 23 May 2007 19:18:17 +0000

This is the road less traveled that I have chosen.

How’s that workin’ out for ya?

By: Eliezer Yudkowsky

Eliezer Yudkowsky — Wed, 23 May 2007 18:53:53 +0000

Pull the Rope Sideways.

I have a new general principle to follow!

By: Douglas Knight

Douglas Knight — Wed, 23 May 2007 17:08:20 +0000

From the first few paragraphs, I expected the conclusion to be that one should pull sideways after choosing a side, any side.

By: Matthew C

Matthew C — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:18:54 +0000

Good points Robin. Certainly pulling the ropes sideways gives you an enormous amount of leverage to tweak government policies in more welfare-maximizing directions than joining the hosts of combatants pulling the ropes from each end. Nice analogy.

But overall, I see policy in general as less relevant to government behavior than is generally believed. Much of policy debate is showmanship instead of substantive disagreement. Think of it as the Superbowl, Survivor and American Idol for the chattering classes. . .

The most important unwritten but inevitable “policy” of government is to expand its financial and regulatory reach to the extent possible. So from that perspective, the policy tug-of-war between battling tribes in congress is an interesting spectator sport, but fairly irrelevant. The strange “morphing” of low-tax, low spend, low regulation Republicans into a party of drunken binge-spenders once they got into power shows pretty clearly that the public-choice interpretation of government behavior is a lot closer to the truth than one which looks at these things in terms of competing “policies”. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. . .

An increase in the amount of activity which cannot be taxed, such as blogging, markets for recognition and prestige, open-source projects like wikipedia and Linux and open-source science are all steps in the right direction. . . When people spend more and more of their lives and energy on Myspace and Second Life and and OB and listening to free MP3s in itunes and video clips on YouTube instead of reading about government policy in the newspaper and watching the evening news on one of the “big 3″, when they homeschool or send their kids to private school, all these things erode the relevance and scope and influence of government in ways that government is poorly equipped to counteract. I think engaging in those activities will ultimately be the most effective ways of reducing the relevance, mindshare and eventually the size and scope of government. And to me, increasing the number of decisions that are made freely versus the number which are made politically is a very good thing. . .

By: Robin Hanson

Robin Hanson — Wed, 23 May 2007 15:08:41 +0000

Eric, the main dimension in the US now is liberal/conservative, but the dimensions are different in different nations and times.

Stuart, why aren’t sideways changes “genuine” improvements?

By: Stuart Armstrong

Stuart Armstrong — Wed, 23 May 2007 13:02:59 +0000

And with any luck, your sidways tugging may remix the situation entirely, so that the predictable patterns change. Hopefully in that change, there will be opportunities for genuine improvement as well…

By: eric

eric — Wed, 23 May 2007 12:51:08 +0000

don’t be coy, what are the two dimensions identified by Poole and Rosenthal? Not obvious given the link.