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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 17:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Last Word on the Kennedy Assassination:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42972
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Last Word on the Kennedy Assassination:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42972" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42972</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barkley  Rosser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barkley  Rosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 14:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas,
I stand corrected.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas,<br />
I stand corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: Asymmetrical Information</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asymmetrical Information</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 14:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Whoa&lt;/strong&gt;

Why is this the the first I&#039;ve heard of this? It&#039;s probably false; but isn&#039;t that the sort of thing that should make a news story?...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Whoa</strong></p>
<p>Why is this the the first I&#8217;ve heard of this? It&#8217;s probably false; but isn&#8217;t that the sort of thing that should make a news story?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 02:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to ignore the thrust of your comment, but &quot;conveniently gunned down by the police&quot; is not correct. Ruby survived to &#039;67 and even talked to Warren.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to ignore the thrust of your comment, but &#8220;conveniently gunned down by the police&#8221; is not correct. Ruby survived to &#8217;67 and even talked to Warren.</p>
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		<title>By: Barkley  Rosser</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/05/eh_hunt_helped_.html#comment-419787</link>
		<dc:creator>Barkley  Rosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 20:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the most voluminous commenter on this thread, let me make a (probably) final set of comments.  This is partly due to the fact that I realize that I am probably older than most readers and contributors to this blog, indeed, I suspect that most were not even born when JFK was shot.

However, I was in 10th grade when it happened, one of those who can remember the moment I learned of it, sitting in an English class.  The teacher was very late to class.  When she finally walked in, she went to the board and wrote on it in large letters, &quot;RIP,&quot; and then walked out again without saying anything, not returning that day.  We all had to figure out what had happened, which did not take too long.

I was a more or less libertarian Republican in those days and not a fan of either JFK or his family (thought they were crypto-monarchists).  However, it was a terrible shock, and it was really the first such enormous, out-of-the-blue shock, although Pearl Harbor was big, despite the rising tide of conflict with Japan, and Sputnik being launched was another, which I also remember.  But, the nation pretty much shut down for the aftermath of the JFK assassination, with everybody watching everything on TV, including John-John (now dead also) saluting the caisson and all that.  I know that some sociologists have remarked that this was the event that made TV our &quot;national culture.&quot;

So, people were traumatized.  The Warren Commission Report was pretty much universally accepted at first.  Most had thought initially it would be a right-winger, given Dallas&#039;s rep in those days, but for all his weirdness, Oswald and his pro-Castro sentiments and former Soviet existence made a sort of sense, although his sudden killing by Jack Ruby was a shocker.  But disturbing details such as Ruby&#039;s mafia connections did not come out until later.  Ruby was just pictured as somebody understandably distraught who lost it (and, of course, he was conveniently gunned down by the police right after his shooting of Oswald).

It was several years later that the doubts began to surface.  I first saw articles pointing out loose ends and apparent contradictions only in 1966, but after that it became an ongoing cottage industry.  I certainly came to have my doubts, although I never signed on definitively to any theory, mostly just lost my faith in the official story, with it clear that it was going to be very hard to determine &quot;the truth,&quot; with so many key players just plain dead.

I would note again, since people have already noted it, that the 1978 (not 1975, as I originally said) House Assassinations Committee report really played much more to the mafia theory.  Again, I knew insiders on that committee.  They really did not buy the CIA theory at all, although did not rule out the participation of some of the Cubans who did some CIA stuff, with indeed Hunt a suspected link in all that.  But it was the mafia that was the greater suspect.  They had real, material motives for doing JFK in, not just revenge over a love affair.  RFK was after them hard, even though JFK had shared a lover with a major mafia don.  The mafia lost a lot of money when Castro took over Cuba and were pissed at the botch of the Bay of Pigs, and so the link with the Cubans was obvious (and the setting up of a schlump who was pro-Castro even more obvious).  That a mafia guy, Roselli, took a hit before testifying is even more telling.

So, I think that theory looks the most likely, if the official story is incorrect.  I continue to see no evidence and little credibilty for an LBJ role, or even that CIA&#039;s Cord Meyer was the main man behind it, with or for LBJ or not.  Santo Trafficante or one of his allies, or just Oswald all by himself, as is the official story, looks the most likely to me.

And as for this new tape, let&#039;s hear some serious corroboration from some actually credible third parties before we put too much credence into it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the most voluminous commenter on this thread, let me make a (probably) final set of comments.  This is partly due to the fact that I realize that I am probably older than most readers and contributors to this blog, indeed, I suspect that most were not even born when JFK was shot.</p>
<p>However, I was in 10th grade when it happened, one of those who can remember the moment I learned of it, sitting in an English class.  The teacher was very late to class.  When she finally walked in, she went to the board and wrote on it in large letters, &#8220;RIP,&#8221; and then walked out again without saying anything, not returning that day.  We all had to figure out what had happened, which did not take too long.</p>
<p>I was a more or less libertarian Republican in those days and not a fan of either JFK or his family (thought they were crypto-monarchists).  However, it was a terrible shock, and it was really the first such enormous, out-of-the-blue shock, although Pearl Harbor was big, despite the rising tide of conflict with Japan, and Sputnik being launched was another, which I also remember.  But, the nation pretty much shut down for the aftermath of the JFK assassination, with everybody watching everything on TV, including John-John (now dead also) saluting the caisson and all that.  I know that some sociologists have remarked that this was the event that made TV our &#8220;national culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, people were traumatized.  The Warren Commission Report was pretty much universally accepted at first.  Most had thought initially it would be a right-winger, given Dallas&#8217;s rep in those days, but for all his weirdness, Oswald and his pro-Castro sentiments and former Soviet existence made a sort of sense, although his sudden killing by Jack Ruby was a shocker.  But disturbing details such as Ruby&#8217;s mafia connections did not come out until later.  Ruby was just pictured as somebody understandably distraught who lost it (and, of course, he was conveniently gunned down by the police right after his shooting of Oswald).</p>
<p>It was several years later that the doubts began to surface.  I first saw articles pointing out loose ends and apparent contradictions only in 1966, but after that it became an ongoing cottage industry.  I certainly came to have my doubts, although I never signed on definitively to any theory, mostly just lost my faith in the official story, with it clear that it was going to be very hard to determine &#8220;the truth,&#8221; with so many key players just plain dead.</p>
<p>I would note again, since people have already noted it, that the 1978 (not 1975, as I originally said) House Assassinations Committee report really played much more to the mafia theory.  Again, I knew insiders on that committee.  They really did not buy the CIA theory at all, although did not rule out the participation of some of the Cubans who did some CIA stuff, with indeed Hunt a suspected link in all that.  But it was the mafia that was the greater suspect.  They had real, material motives for doing JFK in, not just revenge over a love affair.  RFK was after them hard, even though JFK had shared a lover with a major mafia don.  The mafia lost a lot of money when Castro took over Cuba and were pissed at the botch of the Bay of Pigs, and so the link with the Cubans was obvious (and the setting up of a schlump who was pro-Castro even more obvious).  That a mafia guy, Roselli, took a hit before testifying is even more telling.</p>
<p>So, I think that theory looks the most likely, if the official story is incorrect.  I continue to see no evidence and little credibilty for an LBJ role, or even that CIA&#8217;s Cord Meyer was the main man behind it, with or for LBJ or not.  Santo Trafficante or one of his allies, or just Oswald all by himself, as is the official story, looks the most likely to me.</p>
<p>And as for this new tape, let&#8217;s hear some serious corroboration from some actually credible third parties before we put too much credence into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Barkley Rosser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barkley Rosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 03:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas,

JFK&#039;s head is seen to jerk in the wrong direction at one point in Zapruder&#039;s film, and the evidence regarding bullets and bullet paths is messy and may be consistent with the second gunman, plus some claim to have heard a shot from the grassy knoll.

But, I agree, multiple assassins are unusual and clearly have problems of coordination and so forth.  And, I did not say I believed the theory, merely that I was more open to it than I was after visiting the site and looking at the reports further.  The conspiracy theories can operate pretty fully with Oswald alone, assuming they are true, which I do not know at this point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas,</p>
<p>JFK&#8217;s head is seen to jerk in the wrong direction at one point in Zapruder&#8217;s film, and the evidence regarding bullets and bullet paths is messy and may be consistent with the second gunman, plus some claim to have heard a shot from the grassy knoll.</p>
<p>But, I agree, multiple assassins are unusual and clearly have problems of coordination and so forth.  And, I did not say I believed the theory, merely that I was more open to it than I was after visiting the site and looking at the reports further.  The conspiracy theories can operate pretty fully with Oswald alone, assuming they are true, which I do not know at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/05/eh_hunt_helped_.html#comment-419785</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 03:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barkley Rosser,
why were you ever sympathetic to multiple gunmen? Has anyone ever used multiple snipers in an assassination? Snipers get a window of only a few seconds after the first shot. If they need backup, they&#039;re not good enough to synchronize.
Or are the theories that there was a gunman on the grassy knoll and no shots from the depository?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barkley Rosser,<br />
why were you ever sympathetic to multiple gunmen? Has anyone ever used multiple snipers in an assassination? Snipers get a window of only a few seconds after the first shot. If they need backup, they&#8217;re not good enough to synchronize.<br />
Or are the theories that there was a gunman on the grassy knoll and no shots from the depository?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/05/eh_hunt_helped_.html#comment-419784</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barkley, I am not claiming the issue is settled, not by a long shot.  It just seems odd for this confession to get so little coverage, not even damning negative coverage.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barkley, I am not claiming the issue is settled, not by a long shot.  It just seems odd for this confession to get so little coverage, not even damning negative coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Barkley  Rosser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barkley  Rosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 19:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin,

Just looked at your added  media links.  None of them contain reports of any reliable third parties who attest that indeed the tape is Hunt for sure.  All we have is the four and a half minute tape that was apparently played on April 27 on Coast to Coast.  St. John says he will post the whole 20 minute version on his website, but last I checked, ain&#039;t nothin&#039; up there.

The third of your links is about a new book, which references the tape, although not clearly confirming its authenticity.  What is reported in the story on the book focuses on RFK&#039;s search for the various mafia and CIA-linked Cuban plotters, but says nothing about LBJ.

Again, I am fairly open to the idea of some kind of mafia-Cuban-semi-CIA plot to do in JFK, but this could have involved Oswald as the lone shooter without all this grassy knoll stuff, and as I said above, I became a lot more skeptical about that whole tale after I finally saw the grassy knoll itself in Dealy Plaza 20 years ago.  Oswald out the window was quite sufficient, and he had a lot of strange connections.

But the link to LBJ remains the least likely and the most preposterous.  Was he linked to this mafia-Cuban crowd?  Not that I have heard of previously.  And that he was linked to Cord Meyer seriously also remains off the wall, although Meyer did have personal reasons why he might have hated JFK, that the latter was having a major affair with his wife who died under mysterious circumstances (including rumors that she and JFK did acid together, old CIA acid at that reputedly).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,</p>
<p>Just looked at your added  media links.  None of them contain reports of any reliable third parties who attest that indeed the tape is Hunt for sure.  All we have is the four and a half minute tape that was apparently played on April 27 on Coast to Coast.  St. John says he will post the whole 20 minute version on his website, but last I checked, ain&#8217;t nothin&#8217; up there.</p>
<p>The third of your links is about a new book, which references the tape, although not clearly confirming its authenticity.  What is reported in the story on the book focuses on RFK&#8217;s search for the various mafia and CIA-linked Cuban plotters, but says nothing about LBJ.</p>
<p>Again, I am fairly open to the idea of some kind of mafia-Cuban-semi-CIA plot to do in JFK, but this could have involved Oswald as the lone shooter without all this grassy knoll stuff, and as I said above, I became a lot more skeptical about that whole tale after I finally saw the grassy knoll itself in Dealy Plaza 20 years ago.  Oswald out the window was quite sufficient, and he had a lot of strange connections.</p>
<p>But the link to LBJ remains the least likely and the most preposterous.  Was he linked to this mafia-Cuban crowd?  Not that I have heard of previously.  And that he was linked to Cord Meyer seriously also remains off the wall, although Meyer did have personal reasons why he might have hated JFK, that the latter was having a major affair with his wife who died under mysterious circumstances (including rumors that she and JFK did acid together, old CIA acid at that reputedly).</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 01:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian B Gibson,
Certainly. Evolution is an example. Tyler Cowen recently brought up astrology. I&#039;m not sure how much I&#039;d count any of them as a belief. At least with astrology it manifests itself in actions: consulting horoscopes and astrologers, and maybe even in changing other actions.

I find the compartmentalization of societal sanction of belief much more bizarre than individual compartmentalization of belief. That is, I find it bizarre that there are &quot;mainstream&quot; beliefs held by so few people. Some would say that &quot;mainstream&quot; beliefs are those imposed by some sort of elite, perhaps a media elite. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s part of it, but newspapers print horoscopes, too. I imagine that reporters are more likely to believe in evolution, but typical in their belief in astrology.

But I don&#039;t even know the facts, let alone an explanation. Who enforces the ban on astrology in the news? Is it people in the news business? A vocal minority in the audience? The same people who believe in it in other contexts? Why do they allow a horoscope page?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian B Gibson,<br />
Certainly. Evolution is an example. Tyler Cowen recently brought up astrology. I&#8217;m not sure how much I&#8217;d count any of them as a belief. At least with astrology it manifests itself in actions: consulting horoscopes and astrologers, and maybe even in changing other actions.</p>
<p>I find the compartmentalization of societal sanction of belief much more bizarre than individual compartmentalization of belief. That is, I find it bizarre that there are &#8220;mainstream&#8221; beliefs held by so few people. Some would say that &#8220;mainstream&#8221; beliefs are those imposed by some sort of elite, perhaps a media elite. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s part of it, but newspapers print horoscopes, too. I imagine that reporters are more likely to believe in evolution, but typical in their belief in astrology.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t even know the facts, let alone an explanation. Who enforces the ban on astrology in the news? Is it people in the news business? A vocal minority in the audience? The same people who believe in it in other contexts? Why do they allow a horoscope page?</p>
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