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		<title>By: Adrian Tschoegl</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/useful_bias.html#comment-420833</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Tschoegl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me second Robin&#039;s suggestion.

The discussion here clearly indicates that each of us is using the term slightly differently. When I think of bias, I think of it as something closer to the statistical, whereas my reading of Eliezer&#039;s comments is that he thinks of cognitive bias as something that is relatively unconscious and that cannot be useful in the sense of leading to true beliefs.

Is there a better term than &#039;&quot;useful bias&quot; for the idea of adding a large error in a known direction to reduce the possibility of small (or in the case of alcoholism large) errors in an unknown direction?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me second Robin&#8217;s suggestion.</p>
<p>The discussion here clearly indicates that each of us is using the term slightly differently. When I think of bias, I think of it as something closer to the statistical, whereas my reading of Eliezer&#8217;s comments is that he thinks of cognitive bias as something that is relatively unconscious and that cannot be useful in the sense of leading to true beliefs.</p>
<p>Is there a better term than &#8216;&#8221;useful bias&#8221; for the idea of adding a large error in a known direction to reduce the possibility of small (or in the case of alcoholism large) errors in an unknown direction?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/useful_bias.html#comment-420832</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eliezer, that sounds like a useful post, to make clear those distinctions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliezer, that sounds like a useful post, to make clear those distinctions.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliezer Yudkowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/useful_bias.html#comment-420831</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliezer Yudkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric Baum is using it in a different sense.  &quot;Inductive bias&quot;, &quot;cognitive bias&quot;, and &quot;statistical bias&quot; are not the same thing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Baum is using it in a different sense.  &#8220;Inductive bias&#8221;, &#8220;cognitive bias&#8221;, and &#8220;statistical bias&#8221; are not the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter McCluskey</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/useful_bias.html#comment-420830</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter McCluskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a description of useful biases, see Eric Baum&#039;s book What is Thought?
A good example are the genetic biases which cause young humans to learn language with unusual ease, possibly better than a general purpose Bayesian mind would given the same evidence.
Is he using the word bias in a different way than those who deny biases can be useful?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a description of useful biases, see Eric Baum&#8217;s book What is Thought?<br />
A good example are the genetic biases which cause young humans to learn language with unusual ease, possibly better than a general purpose Bayesian mind would given the same evidence.<br />
Is he using the word bias in a different way than those who deny biases can be useful?</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/useful_bias.html#comment-420829</link>
		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like we&#039;re talking about two different things here:

a.  Sometimes, rationality and correct perception of reality isn&#039;t the best way to accomplish a goal.  Evolution has outfitted us with biases that probably are based on this fact.  For whatever reasons, it paid off historically for, say, parents to perceive their kids as prettier and smarter and nicer than they really were.  So we have this bias which was adaptive in some environment.  I take Hal Finney&#039;s alcoholism example this way--even if each social drinking event has only a low probability of leading the alcoholic back into disaster, it may be more adaptive for him to believe that a single drink is death.

b.  Sometimes, we use mental modules in our own minds, or the minds of other people, as tools.  Then, it&#039;s often easier to introduce an intentional bias in the perceived or claimed facts input into the module than to redesign it.  A nice example of this is leading the target when you&#039;re shooting.  Instead of reprogramming your mind to calculate the path of the bullet and the bird, you just lead the bird by a certain amount.  I think this is the set into which the original example falls. There are all kinds of similar tricks, right?  How many of us set a clock ahead 10 minutes to help ourselves get out the door on time?  We&#039;re lying to some module or part of our brain, in order to get it to function better.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like we&#8217;re talking about two different things here:</p>
<p>a.  Sometimes, rationality and correct perception of reality isn&#8217;t the best way to accomplish a goal.  Evolution has outfitted us with biases that probably are based on this fact.  For whatever reasons, it paid off historically for, say, parents to perceive their kids as prettier and smarter and nicer than they really were.  So we have this bias which was adaptive in some environment.  I take Hal Finney&#8217;s alcoholism example this way&#8211;even if each social drinking event has only a low probability of leading the alcoholic back into disaster, it may be more adaptive for him to believe that a single drink is death.</p>
<p>b.  Sometimes, we use mental modules in our own minds, or the minds of other people, as tools.  Then, it&#8217;s often easier to introduce an intentional bias in the perceived or claimed facts input into the module than to redesign it.  A nice example of this is leading the target when you&#8217;re shooting.  Instead of reprogramming your mind to calculate the path of the bullet and the bird, you just lead the bird by a certain amount.  I think this is the set into which the original example falls. There are all kinds of similar tricks, right?  How many of us set a clock ahead 10 minutes to help ourselves get out the door on time?  We&#8217;re lying to some module or part of our brain, in order to get it to function better.</p>
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		<title>By: James Wetterau</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/useful_bias.html#comment-420828</link>
		<dc:creator>James Wetterau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the statistical sense, a biased estimator may have greater likelihood, and an unbiased estimator may sometimes have absurd qualities or have greater mean square error than a biased estimator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_of_an_estimator

Are there perhaps analogies with beliefs?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the statistical sense, a biased estimator may have greater likelihood, and an unbiased estimator may sometimes have absurd qualities or have greater mean square error than a biased estimator.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_of_an_estimator" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_of_an_estimator</a></p>
<p>Are there perhaps analogies with beliefs?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There could be useful bias’s in the case where holding to a rational belief is an optimal strategy for me, but sub-optimal for society as a whole. For instance it is possible that we have a useful bias to behave in a non-sociopath manner, even if I believe all morality is inherently relative and situational. Thus even given the opportunity with no chance of being caught, I would not steal someone’s life savings. This bias (to behave according to current society norms of morality, regardless of what I say I rationally believe) could be an important factor in allowing commerce and trade, so increasing overall welfare of society.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There could be useful bias’s in the case where holding to a rational belief is an optimal strategy for me, but sub-optimal for society as a whole. For instance it is possible that we have a useful bias to behave in a non-sociopath manner, even if I believe all morality is inherently relative and situational. Thus even given the opportunity with no chance of being caught, I would not steal someone’s life savings. This bias (to behave according to current society norms of morality, regardless of what I say I rationally believe) could be an important factor in allowing commerce and trade, so increasing overall welfare of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliezer Yudkowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/useful_bias.html#comment-420826</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliezer Yudkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal, but in that case, they&#039;re &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; to be afraid of social drinking.  The people who tell them it&#039;s safe would be simply wrong.  That&#039;s why I don&#039;t see how you can have it both ways.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal, but in that case, they&#8217;re <i>right</i> to be afraid of social drinking.  The people who tell them it&#8217;s safe would be simply wrong.  That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t see how you can have it both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Finney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal Finney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe another way to think of it is that a bias could be &quot;useful&quot; if it compensates for another, harmful bias.

That is one way to think of the alcoholism situation. Alcoholics who had an unbiased view of the possibilities of safe social drinking might imbibe to an unhealthy degree, because they would overestimate the short-term pleasures of social drinking relative to the long-term harm of relapsing into alcoholism. By adopting the biased view that no amount of social drinking is safe, they avoid falling into the trap induced by the other bias which over-weights short term pleasures compared to long-term harm.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe another way to think of it is that a bias could be &#8220;useful&#8221; if it compensates for another, harmful bias.</p>
<p>That is one way to think of the alcoholism situation. Alcoholics who had an unbiased view of the possibilities of safe social drinking might imbibe to an unhealthy degree, because they would overestimate the short-term pleasures of social drinking relative to the long-term harm of relapsing into alcoholism. By adopting the biased view that no amount of social drinking is safe, they avoid falling into the trap induced by the other bias which over-weights short term pleasures compared to long-term harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliezer Yudkowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/useful_bias.html#comment-420824</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliezer Yudkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal, the decision to abstain completely from alcohol can be &quot;useful&quot; or it can be a &quot;bias&quot; but I don&#039;t see how you can have it both ways.

Please note: &lt;i&gt;decisions&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;beliefs&lt;/i&gt; are not the same thing.  The artillery officer who overshoots knows that he is overshooting - he does not have a mistaken, non-veridical, false belief.  Instead he makes a &lt;i&gt;decision&lt;/i&gt;, as a matter of calculated utility, to shoot higher than he &lt;i&gt;believes&lt;/i&gt; will hit the target.  Since this whole method relies on knowing - having veridical beliefs - about the direction in which your &lt;i&gt;action&lt;/i&gt; overshoots the target, it would be calamitous indeed were the artillery officer to actually bias his &lt;i&gt;beliefs&lt;/i&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal, the decision to abstain completely from alcohol can be &#8220;useful&#8221; or it can be a &#8220;bias&#8221; but I don&#8217;t see how you can have it both ways.</p>
<p>Please note: <i>decisions</i> and <i>beliefs</i> are not the same thing.  The artillery officer who overshoots knows that he is overshooting &#8211; he does not have a mistaken, non-veridical, false belief.  Instead he makes a <i>decision</i>, as a matter of calculated utility, to shoot higher than he <i>believes</i> will hit the target.  Since this whole method relies on knowing &#8211; having veridical beliefs &#8211; about the direction in which your <i>action</i> overshoots the target, it would be calamitous indeed were the artillery officer to actually bias his <i>beliefs</i>.</p>
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