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		<title>By: ba feed &#187; Balan-Caplan Debate: Suggested Topics?, by Bryan Caplan</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/paternalism_is_.html#comment-430385</link>
		<dc:creator>ba feed &#187; Balan-Caplan Debate: Suggested Topics?, by Bryan Caplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an economist at the FTC.&#160; You may remember him from the Balan-Hanson paternalism debate (see here and here).&#160; Here are his papers on SSRN.&#160; What should we debate about?&#160; In the past, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an economist at the FTC.&nbsp; You may remember him from the Balan-Hanson paternalism debate (see here and here).&nbsp; Here are his papers on SSRN.&nbsp; What should we debate about?&nbsp; In the past, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Golf Carts and Drunk-Driving Hours &#171; Brad Taylor&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/paternalism_is_.html#comment-429457</link>
		<dc:creator>Golf Carts and Drunk-Driving Hours &#171; Brad Taylor&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would clearly be awesome, but given the opposition many people have to the idea of would-have-banned stores, I don&#8217;t see much hope for this becoming [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would clearly be awesome, but given the opposition many people have to the idea of would-have-banned stores, I don&#8217;t see much hope for this becoming [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Damien R. S.</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/paternalism_is_.html#comment-428739</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien R. S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Scott, if you can&#039;t prohibit resales, you can&#039;t prohibit sales, and so you can&#039;t ban in the first place. &quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That seems a pretty flawed statement.  It can be easier to ban manufacture of the goods that would go into the Banned Store than to ban resale of individual items.  A bottle of sulfuric acid is nigh-untraceable, but the lab or factory making the acid isn&#039;t.  If you&#039;re a teen who wants booze or cigs, you just have to find a friendly adult who&#039;ll bring them out of 7-11 to you; if you want pot or crack, you have to find a way to plug into the illegal drug networks.  Obviously not impossible, or even super-hard perhaps, but certainly harder.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scott, if you can&#8217;t prohibit resales, you can&#8217;t prohibit sales, and so you can&#8217;t ban in the first place. &#8220;</p>
<p>That seems a pretty flawed statement.  It can be easier to ban manufacture of the goods that would go into the Banned Store than to ban resale of individual items.  A bottle of sulfuric acid is nigh-untraceable, but the lab or factory making the acid isn&#8217;t.  If you&#8217;re a teen who wants booze or cigs, you just have to find a friendly adult who&#8217;ll bring them out of 7-11 to you; if you want pot or crack, you have to find a way to plug into the illegal drug networks.  Obviously not impossible, or even super-hard perhaps, but certainly harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomasz Wegrzanowski</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/paternalism_is_.html#comment-428738</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomasz Wegrzanowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A lot of regulation deals with externalities not paternalism. Are there any cases of regulations not related to (at least presumed) externalities that aren&#039;t outright stupid?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of regulation deals with externalities not paternalism. Are there any cases of regulations not related to (at least presumed) externalities that aren&#8217;t outright stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Cynicism</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/paternalism_is_.html#comment-421513</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Cynicism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Should some additives be banned fromfood?&lt;/strong&gt;

Regarding the latest evidence suggesting food additives harm childrens health, Tom Watson says this:
Until junior Watson was able to tell that not all food on the end of a small blue plastic spoon was the same, I’d not fully appreciated just h...
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<p>Regarding the latest evidence suggesting food additives harm childrens health, Tom Watson says this:<br />
Until junior Watson was able to tell that not all food on the end of a small blue plastic spoon was the same, I’d not fully appreciated just h&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Overlawyered</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/paternalism_is_.html#comment-421514</link>
		<dc:creator>Overlawyered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Stores for selling banned products&lt;/strong&gt;

Paternalists aren&#039;t going to like this idea: &quot;let anything the government would have banned be sold only at special &#039;would have banned&#039; stores, whose customers pass a test showing they understand that regulators disapprove. The...
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<p>Paternalists aren&#8217;t going to like this idea: &#8220;let anything the government would have banned be sold only at special &#8216;would have banned&#8217; stores, whose customers pass a test showing they understand that regulators disapprove. The&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What a wonderful debate!  I do so hope that there will be more. I was devastated to have arrived so late, when I left Arlington an hour ahead and it took me an hour and fifteen minutes, so I missed the whole first part  which can be so important (the snow was what did it, and all the sirens!), but what impressed  me so was how difficult! the whole issue is, and how well the two sides presented themselves, so that I was quite left hanging as to which side I should take; perhaps it&#039;s like juries, which I suppose we have to have because there are some things that are SO hard to decide, and yet Have to be decided, I wonder what it would be like to have something like the Oxford Union has for their debates, where you end up with a vote! I do hope  you will announce when you are having more discussions or debates, because I think it is so important to have a real confrontation. Anyway, thank you so much for announcing it and giving us the opportunity to see it. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful debate!  I do so hope that there will be more. I was devastated to have arrived so late, when I left Arlington an hour ahead and it took me an hour and fifteen minutes, so I missed the whole first part  which can be so important (the snow was what did it, and all the sirens!), but what impressed  me so was how difficult! the whole issue is, and how well the two sides presented themselves, so that I was quite left hanging as to which side I should take; perhaps it&#8217;s like juries, which I suppose we have to have because there are some things that are SO hard to decide, and yet Have to be decided, I wonder what it would be like to have something like the Oxford Union has for their debates, where you end up with a vote! I do hope  you will announce when you are having more discussions or debates, because I think it is so important to have a real confrontation. Anyway, thank you so much for announcing it and giving us the opportunity to see it. </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/paternalism_is_.html#comment-428736</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Hansen: What I&#039;m driving at is really that there are some ideas that have been dealt with rather well in political philosophy, but OB seems to be re-inventing from first principles in line with some participants&#039; biases. &quot;Paternalism&quot; here is roughly equivalent to &quot;government&quot;, but it&#039;s a negative framing technique to use this pejoratively value-laden term. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That externalities, tragedies of the commons, and such exist is both obvious and trivial. That something governmentlike is required to solve them is less trivial but as obvious. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But even more broadly, isn&#039;t one of the founding ideas of OB that we should be modest with regard to own beliefs? - in which case, the possibility of our own stupidity is well worth considering. Engineers who work with safety-critical systems assume that the users will, eventually, get it wrong, and therefore try to design so as to make it harder to make mistakes than to get it right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hansen: What I&#8217;m driving at is really that there are some ideas that have been dealt with rather well in political philosophy, but OB seems to be re-inventing from first principles in line with some participants&#8217; biases. &#8220;Paternalism&#8221; here is roughly equivalent to &#8220;government&#8221;, but it&#8217;s a negative framing technique to use this pejoratively value-laden term. </p>
<p>That externalities, tragedies of the commons, and such exist is both obvious and trivial. That something governmentlike is required to solve them is less trivial but as obvious. </p>
<p>But even more broadly, isn&#8217;t one of the founding ideas of OB that we should be modest with regard to own beliefs? &#8211; in which case, the possibility of our own stupidity is well worth considering. Engineers who work with safety-critical systems assume that the users will, eventually, get it wrong, and therefore try to design so as to make it harder to make mistakes than to get it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Dog of Justice</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/paternalism_is_.html#comment-428735</link>
		<dc:creator>Dog of Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t discuss the benefit in further detail because my main point was that smoking is an unusual case that doesn&#039;t generalize to the broader paternalism debate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As I understand it, the benefits are (i) a minor increase in productivity, since smoking apparently improves cognition in the short term, and (ii) a minor decrease in expenses supporting retired people.  (This may, of course, be more than cancelled out by the drawback of people developing serious lung cancer long before they retire.  I really have no idea how this amoral arithmetic works out; I just know that most other cases of paternalism are simpler.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t discuss the benefit in further detail because my main point was that smoking is an unusual case that doesn&#8217;t generalize to the broader paternalism debate.</p>
<p>As I understand it, the benefits are (i) a minor increase in productivity, since smoking apparently improves cognition in the short term, and (ii) a minor decrease in expenses supporting retired people.  (This may, of course, be more than cancelled out by the drawback of people developing serious lung cancer long before they retire.  I really have no idea how this amoral arithmetic works out; I just know that most other cases of paternalism are simpler.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;+1 for Alex&lt;br&gt;
The &lt;b&gt;majority&lt;/b&gt; of an individual&#039;s decisions have external effects that wouldn&#039;t enter his rational decision making process (side note: I don&#039;t think that normally exists anyways).  So the gov&#039;s paternalism would be acting to minimize personal bias in favor of an objective pov (side note: I don&#039;t think that normally exists anyways).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I really would like to go balls to the wall libertarian and say &quot;if you want to snort coke day and night, you obviously have a different metric for &#039;quality of life&#039; than me and you are probably maximizing it, so bully for you&quot;.  But I can&#039;t take that stance if that person is treated in an emergency room with public money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d say if you argue that paternalism is altruistic you are arrogant - and that the government only exists (as per &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/heres_my_openin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Balan&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt;) to correct market failures, where paternalism and redistribution exist only to the extent that they are a subset of that market correcting function.  Consumers are acting only in their personal best interest; even with the regulators&#039; bias they are closer to acting in society&#039;s best interest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 for Alex<br />
The <b>majority</b> of an individual&#8217;s decisions have external effects that wouldn&#8217;t enter his rational decision making process (side note: I don&#8217;t think that normally exists anyways).  So the gov&#8217;s paternalism would be acting to minimize personal bias in favor of an objective pov (side note: I don&#8217;t think that normally exists anyways).</p>
<p>I really would like to go balls to the wall libertarian and say &#8220;if you want to snort coke day and night, you obviously have a different metric for &#8216;quality of life&#8217; than me and you are probably maximizing it, so bully for you&#8221;.  But I can&#8217;t take that stance if that person is treated in an emergency room with public money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say if you argue that paternalism is altruistic you are arrogant &#8211; and that the government only exists (as per <a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/heres_my_openin.html" rel="nofollow">Balan&#8217;s post</a>) to correct market failures, where paternalism and redistribution exist only to the extent that they are a subset of that market correcting function.  Consumers are acting only in their personal best interest; even with the regulators&#8217; bias they are closer to acting in society&#8217;s best interest.</p>
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