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	<title>Comments on: Why Are Academics Liberal?</title>
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		<title>By: Caius</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424417</link>
		<dc:creator>Caius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Hopefully, that the problem is the binary idea of political affiliation, when it&#039;s much more fruitful to think in two dimensions. Socially, conservatives tend to be retrograde; they also tend to be much more inimical to science. Humanities today are much more socially progressive and inclusive (at least in theory), and might not know much about economics, so they tend to side with the liberals, and even prefer liberal economic policy because it all comes in one big package. I imagine it would be similar with the scientists. Meanwhile, economists would care much more about the economic aspect, and either ignore or adopt the social policy. I&#039;d even go so far as to speculate that there are probably more good economic paths than one, some more liberal, some more conservative, which would explain a more even distribution.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Hopefully, that the problem is the binary idea of political affiliation, when it&#8217;s much more fruitful to think in two dimensions. Socially, conservatives tend to be retrograde; they also tend to be much more inimical to science. Humanities today are much more socially progressive and inclusive (at least in theory), and might not know much about economics, so they tend to side with the liberals, and even prefer liberal economic policy because it all comes in one big package. I imagine it would be similar with the scientists. Meanwhile, economists would care much more about the economic aspect, and either ignore or adopt the social policy. I&#8217;d even go so far as to speculate that there are probably more good economic paths than one, some more liberal, some more conservative, which would explain a more even distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424416</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This one is really simple. Many conservative views are based on Christianity, which most intelligent and informed people can see is false. Group polarization then ensures academics become liberal even on issues that have nothing to do with religion.&quot; - Fascinating hypothesis, Steven. There&#039;s probably quite a bit of truth to it. As the 3:1 ration on econ issues, it still holds. Generally speaking most economists are opposed to supply-side economics, favor redistribution, affirmative action and think that income inequality has gotten out of hand in the U.S.; thus, on econ issues alone you&#039;d expect economists to be Dems (as well as professors in general whose views are certainly similar).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This one is really simple. Many conservative views are based on Christianity, which most intelligent and informed people can see is false. Group polarization then ensures academics become liberal even on issues that have nothing to do with religion.&#8221; &#8211; Fascinating hypothesis, Steven. There&#8217;s probably quite a bit of truth to it. As the 3:1 ration on econ issues, it still holds. Generally speaking most economists are opposed to supply-side economics, favor redistribution, affirmative action and think that income inequality has gotten out of hand in the U.S.; thus, on econ issues alone you&#8217;d expect economists to be Dems (as well as professors in general whose views are certainly similar).</p>
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		<title>By: Hopefully Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424415</link>
		<dc:creator>Hopefully Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My perception is that nobody on overcomingbias except me is concerned about how dialectics can subordinate a range of ideas by pretending that there are only two polar ideas in conflict.

I think this is an example of where it can be dangerous: pretending that there is only a &quot;liberal&quot; and a &quot;conservative&quot; perspective. How about a perspective that gives empiricism primacy? This liberal/conservative construct encourage us to move away from an empirical basis for policy choice and towards belief as cheer. It seems to me to be destructive to the wealth-increasing commons.

I&#039;m surprised you&#039;re not more concerned about this, Robin. My perception is that you&#039;re neck-deep in belief as cheer, and if you don&#039;t innovate out of it, quickly, it could kill us both.

As for the topic at hand, elites that are &quot;liberal&quot; don&#039;t seem to me to be anti-heirarchy or anti-personal egoism. Instead it seems to be a gentrification of the &quot;liberal&quot; space. Academics make about 50-100 times what the average person in the world makes, their educational expenses would feed a large third world family for years, and they maintain very heirarchical and egoist environments. That&#039;s why I think their liberalism is more gentrification and moral heirarchical construction (with themselves on top) than a lived philosophy. By the way, I have no interest in them living that particular philosophy: I think we should be empirically determining how to maximize the persistence odds of an optimized subset of humanity (which includes me). Anything else, in my opinion, is a triumph of a meme over the persisting aspirations of our subjective consciousnesses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My perception is that nobody on overcomingbias except me is concerned about how dialectics can subordinate a range of ideas by pretending that there are only two polar ideas in conflict.</p>
<p>I think this is an example of where it can be dangerous: pretending that there is only a &#8220;liberal&#8221; and a &#8220;conservative&#8221; perspective. How about a perspective that gives empiricism primacy? This liberal/conservative construct encourage us to move away from an empirical basis for policy choice and towards belief as cheer. It seems to me to be destructive to the wealth-increasing commons.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised you&#8217;re not more concerned about this, Robin. My perception is that you&#8217;re neck-deep in belief as cheer, and if you don&#8217;t innovate out of it, quickly, it could kill us both.</p>
<p>As for the topic at hand, elites that are &#8220;liberal&#8221; don&#8217;t seem to me to be anti-heirarchy or anti-personal egoism. Instead it seems to be a gentrification of the &#8220;liberal&#8221; space. Academics make about 50-100 times what the average person in the world makes, their educational expenses would feed a large third world family for years, and they maintain very heirarchical and egoist environments. That&#8217;s why I think their liberalism is more gentrification and moral heirarchical construction (with themselves on top) than a lived philosophy. By the way, I have no interest in them living that particular philosophy: I think we should be empirically determining how to maximize the persistence odds of an optimized subset of humanity (which includes me). Anything else, in my opinion, is a triumph of a meme over the persisting aspirations of our subjective consciousnesses.</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424414</link>
		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much of the 3:1 ratio for economists would remain if you restricted the question to economic issues only.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much of the 3:1 ratio for economists would remain if you restricted the question to economic issues only.</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424413</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one is really simple. Many conservative views are based on Christianity, which most intelligent and informed people can see is false. Group polarization then ensures academics become liberal even on issues that have nothing to do with religion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is really simple. Many conservative views are based on Christianity, which most intelligent and informed people can see is false. Group polarization then ensures academics become liberal even on issues that have nothing to do with religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven.</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424412</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, in the general publica the ration between Democrats, 72 million registered members, and Republicans, 55 million registered members, is 1.3:1.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, in the general publica the ration between Democrats, 72 million registered members, and Republicans, 55 million registered members, is 1.3:1.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424411</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It might be due to academics being more intelligent and informed&quot; - that&#039;s it! This is why the social sciences and humanities are more liberal than engineering or business departments. The more you understand society, the more you likely to are to be liberal.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It might be due to academics being more intelligent and informed&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s it! This is why the social sciences and humanities are more liberal than engineering or business departments. The more you understand society, the more you likely to are to be liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424410</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 21:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ideas for data:

Are the GRE scores of Republican applicants to graduate programs noticeably higher than those of Democrat applicants?

If so, Republicans are being forced to overcome some structure of discrimination by exhibiting a unique excellence in their candidacy.

Its conclusions might be tenuous, but it&#039;s nice solid data ready for the crunching.  (I suspect the issue is one of self selection: smart liberals are attracted to schools of sociology, smart conservatives are attracted to schools of business.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideas for data:</p>
<p>Are the GRE scores of Republican applicants to graduate programs noticeably higher than those of Democrat applicants?</p>
<p>If so, Republicans are being forced to overcome some structure of discrimination by exhibiting a unique excellence in their candidacy.</p>
<p>Its conclusions might be tenuous, but it&#8217;s nice solid data ready for the crunching.  (I suspect the issue is one of self selection: smart liberals are attracted to schools of sociology, smart conservatives are attracted to schools of business.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2006/11/the_cause_of_is.html#comment-424409</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tom, I don&#039;t [see] how the humanities are by their nature liberal. I can see how academia might give people a sense of moral superiority, but that would seem to be equally valuable to all political types.&quot;

Robin, The humanities are not &quot;by their nature&quot; liberal, but they exist in a culture, which takes for granted certain moral positions, especially concerning &quot;social justice.&quot; And those positions include the basic liberal belief that a &quot;society&quot; (which they equate with its &quot;government&quot;) must actively promote the welfare of the most disadvantaged. Hardly anyone ever questions these assumptions; few know who Hayek is, and far fewer have read what he has to say on the emptiness of the concept of social justice.

This also relates to the question of whether liberals are simply smarter. Political beliefs are often deeply embedded in culture; and there are all sorts of ways that a culture encourages and rewards the holding of certain beliefs. Intelligence is a necessary minimum qualification for entering academia; everyone there will be intelligent. A more appropriate question may be, why do some intelligent people go into academia while other equally intelligent people go into other things? I would suspect that the culture of academia has something to do with it; this helps encourage and reward those people who fit in. There is a wonderful irony here: academics pride themselves on the independence of their thought, yet they show great conformity in political matters. In my more cynical moments, I call this a &quot;herd instinct.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tom, I don&#8217;t [see] how the humanities are by their nature liberal. I can see how academia might give people a sense of moral superiority, but that would seem to be equally valuable to all political types.&#8221;</p>
<p>Robin, The humanities are not &#8220;by their nature&#8221; liberal, but they exist in a culture, which takes for granted certain moral positions, especially concerning &#8220;social justice.&#8221; And those positions include the basic liberal belief that a &#8220;society&#8221; (which they equate with its &#8220;government&#8221;) must actively promote the welfare of the most disadvantaged. Hardly anyone ever questions these assumptions; few know who Hayek is, and far fewer have read what he has to say on the emptiness of the concept of social justice.</p>
<p>This also relates to the question of whether liberals are simply smarter. Political beliefs are often deeply embedded in culture; and there are all sorts of ways that a culture encourages and rewards the holding of certain beliefs. Intelligence is a necessary minimum qualification for entering academia; everyone there will be intelligent. A more appropriate question may be, why do some intelligent people go into academia while other equally intelligent people go into other things? I would suspect that the culture of academia has something to do with it; this helps encourage and reward those people who fit in. There is a wonderful irony here: academics pride themselves on the independence of their thought, yet they show great conformity in political matters. In my more cynical moments, I call this a &#8220;herd instinct.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Schliesser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Schliesser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can read and embrace Adam Smith without ending up a Libertarian--think Tom Paine and Wollstonecraft.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can read and embrace Adam Smith without ending up a Libertarian&#8211;think Tom Paine and Wollstonecraft.</p>
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